[SpaceCadet]

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It took me about 3 months before I started getting symptoms. I was injured in June, took me till about early August to start feeling better. I thought I was fully recovered so I started doing normal things...working, partying and even drinking alcohol. Then BAM, in September I was smacked in the face with PCS symptoms. It seemed like every day I would wake up with a new symptom. I ended up going to the ER numerous times because of them.

I always wonder if the alcohol I was drinking when I thought I was recovered triggered the symptoms or screwed me up permanently =\... Only time will tell!

[xxxxcrystalxxxx]

I had symptoms day one which only increased the following few weeks. I started by that foggy feeling. I was swaying on my feet and if I closed my eyes I would fall. I had head pain, neck pain and back pain. Over the following weeks my unsteadyness got worse, the headache got worse. The whooshing sound didn't start until a couple of months out.

[Klaus]

My symptoms took a week to kick in. I then felt 100% a month later, and after a few weeks of this, like you I felt safe to get drunk. This brought a lot of my symptoms back, and a month after that a jolt at work took me back to square one.

I sometimes wonder whether if I had stayed off the booze I would have been well enough to withstand the jolt, which wasn't violent enough to be a big deal to most people.

On balance, I think if I had been told not to drink, and to continue this for a few months even when I felt fine I think my PCS would have been over in one month rather than 9 and counting.

Yet even the simple piece of advice 'don't drink alcohol' was beyond the knowledge of the doctors I had seen. In fact no health professional has actually warned me against alcohol until this week, 9 months in!

You wonder what they were doing for 7 years in medical school....

[Mark in Idaho]

I am grateful to having had a good neurologist way back in 1970 who told me to stay away from alcohol, that my concussed brain would not tolerate it.

The research is sparse except for the research that says a single drink per day may be OK.

Think of it this way. A hang over is like PCS. The brain is responding to getting assaulted with a chemical impact. It is having a reaction to the toxicity left over from the drunk period.

I tried one glass of beer while in college. It alone left me hung over the next day.

[HeadStrong]

Aside from an immediate headache, blurred vision and nausia, the rest of my symptoms gradually started the next evening. For the first week I felt as if I was on some really strong cold medicine (very spaced out). I didn't actually know I had a concussion for 4 days after the accident. The Emergency Department said contusion, the work doc (4 days later) diagnosed concussion. The hard part was that no one prepared me for the cascade of symptoms that I could expect to come. I thought I was going crazy with each new issue. Strange how you can feel so unlike yourself. Glad I found this place!

[NourishYourNoggin]

Hi - My fourteen yr old son got his first major concussion when he was away with a youth group - fell full force backwards onto a wood floor - had initial dizzyness, nausea and an extreme headache - we were never called.
The next day he went straight into moving logs and doing landscaping (probably did some shearing damage at that time) He was thankful to feel good - did not experience extreme symptoms for 6 weeks. Went into full blown Post Concussion syndrome and was petrified. We did not leave the house the whole summer (2010). He has suffered 3 setbacks and is still recovering - he is extremely brave and courageous as I'm sure you all are.
As an Integrative Health and Nutrition Coach now working with MTBI survivors, alcohol is very bad for you - especially hard alcohol. Sugar really affects your brain's ability to heal and alcohol is basically fermented sugar. Google sugar and the brain.

Hope that this helps.
Warmly,

Tina Sullivan
Nourish Your Noggin

[freezerdoor]

Mine began immediately after impact but they changed and became more intense over the first week. Around the second week they settled into symptoms that continued over the next 5 to 6 months. In the 6 to 9 months after impact, they changed again and lessened at the same time.

[Mark in Idaho]

Nourish,

What do you mean by <probably did some shearing damage at that time)>?

How is sugar bad for the brain? I have never heard or read this before.

I have no problem with sugar but can get messed up from alcohol.

[NourishYourNoggin]

Hi Mark:
Thank you for responding. I have replied to you privately regarding the "shearing" comment.
Here is some information regarding sugar that you and others on the forum may find helpful:

One of sugar’s major drawbacks is that as it raises your insulin level, inhibiting the release of hormones, which then reduces your immune system’s ability to protect you against infection and disease. Back in 1970, Linus Pauling realized that white blood cells need a high dose of Vitamin C to fight the common cold. Because glucose and Vitamin C have similar chemical structures, they compete with each other to enter the cell. Too much sugar may reduce your white blood cells’ ability to combat disease by up to 75%!

According to Malcolm Peet, a noted British psychiatric researcher, there is a strong link between high sugar consumption and the risk of depression as well as schizophrenia. There are two ways that sugar may exert a toxic effect on mental health. First, BDNF, a key growth hormone in the brain, is suppressed by sugar. This hormone promotes the health of neurons in the brain and assists with memory by creating new neuron connections. Second, there is a cascade of chemical reactions that occur in the body when ingesting sugar that create chronic inflammation. Over time, inflammation suppresses the immune system, which then negatively affects brain function.

Alcohol can be a neurotoxin. According to the American Society for Nutrition, the single worst thing that you can do to your brain is to consume distilled spirits. Distilled spirits, such as vodka and rum, affect carbohydrates, which your brain needs to thrive, and they also slow down metabolism. Drinks also drain the body of Vitamin B and affect liver function.

Much of the above information comes from an article written in Psychology Today by Dr. Ilardi, author of The Depression Cure and the link between sugar and the brain, July, 2009.

warmly,
Tina Sullivan

[Mark in Idaho]

I am with you on the damage caused by alcohol. The sugar studies are anecdotal and have not been scientifically studied. I believe there is value to moderating sugar intake but not to the level some suggest. The sugar in an apple or carrot is very concentrated, too. The young growing brain is more susceptible to the BDNF effects of sugar since the brain is still growing and maturing.

Please tell us more about your son's concussions and recovering. As I said, adolescence is a tough time for a concussion injury.