[ejwblibby]

I am in the awful predicament of facing surgery on my thoracic spine. I have a ruptured T7/8 disc which is pressing into my spinal cord centrally. I tripped about six weeks ago and had another MRI which showed that it had moved further into my cord. I have a numb left foot and terrible tingles in both legs accompanied by nerve pain down both legs. My neurosurgeon is concerned about the protruding disc causing permanent damage if left too long. He also said that the fact that it moved further showed it hadn't started to calcify and it would be unlikely to resolve without surgery, the risk being it could move even further into my cord.
My main concern is post surgical pain relief. I had a cervical disc replacement surgery four years ago and having had previous fusions etc with discs rupturing and had to do it with just panadol of all things for pain relief post surgery. I can't take morphine or pethidine or any drugs from their families. My surgeon has told me it will be very painful surgery - what are the options for pain relief? I will have to have this disc removed. I feel sick within myself and it is very painful as it is along with the tingles etc.
Just wondering if anyone has had this surgery and what was done for pain management eg nerve block etc
Also how long did it take to recover?
Thankyou
Libby

[Dr. Smith]

Originally Posted by ejwblibby

I can't take morphine or pethidine or any drugs from their families. My surgeon has told me it will be very painful surgery - what are the options for pain relief?

Hi Libby, Welcome to NT.

If I may, why can't you take opioids, and is it any/all opioids or just some/most (or do you know)? This is important, as that class of meds is usually the best option/gold standard for post-surgical pain.

You can find the whole pharmacopeia by googling: post surgical medication

(I prefer to recommend search criteria to provide a more well-rounded perspective on a question rather than specific links that might be biased or incomprehensive.)

Chronic neuropathic pain is often treated with gabapentin, Lyrica, and/or topiramate. I don't know of post-surgical pain being treated with those, as they can take some time to build up to efficacy.

You might try googling: post surgical neuropathic pain

HTH,

Doc

[Spiney95]

Perhaps you might consider a referral to a pain specialist ASAP. My own personal opinion ......surgeons are not the best choice for managing post op pain. They really don't want that job anyhow as their waiting rooms tend to be filled with pre-op and immediately post op patients and don't have the time or room for the post op patients who will be dealing with ongoing issues while they heal. A pain specialist will be trained to sort out which medications will give you the best relief without causing problems per your history. It would be best to have a plan in place before the surgery. For that matter, if there have been medication issues in the hospital when you were immediately post op, you could request that your pain doc manage your pain while there. It is done every day. Best wishes.

[Dr. Smith]

Originally Posted by spine95

surgeons are not the best choice for managing post op pain. They really don't want that job anyhow as their waiting rooms tend to be filled with pre-op and immediately post op patients and don't have the time or room for the post op patients who will be dealing with ongoing issues while they heal.

I don't disagree with any of that, but doesn't it seem that dealing with post-op pain should be the responsibility of the guy cutting (causing the surgical pain), and part of the whole surgical package? It's not some PN doctor who's cutting into the patient - it's the surgeon. Since most PM docs come from anethesiology anyway, maybe it should be part of the anesthesiologist's purview(?)

Asking a PM doctor to deal with pain caused by another seems like cleaning up someone else's mess. And unfortunately, when surgery doesn't work as expected, it winds up that way anyhow.

I don't know... just rambling a bit.

Doc

[ejwblibby]

Thankyou for your reply. I have had morphine, pethidine, omnipon, toredol and endone and they all give me excruciating headaches and nausea. That was why when I received my artificial disc, they decided all I could have was panadol because the action of being sick in itself is not desirable with surgery to the neck. The plus side was that I had a clear head, the down side was that it was extremely hard coping with the intense post surgical pain.
At the moment having been told that the thoracic surgery would be far more painful than anything I have experienced previously, due to the different layers that would be disturbed just to access the site and the fact that the thoracic spine is continuously moving due to the act of breathing, I am concerned. Not sure that I could do this one with just panadol. It took a lot of higher order skills and many long walks to get into the right frame of mind prior to the surgery. At the moment I am not allowed to go for walks etc because I have a numb foot and trip which could cause the disc to move further into my cord.
Libby

Originally Posted by Dr. Smith

Hi Libby, Welcome to NT.

If I may, why can't you take opioids, and is it any/all opioids or just some/most (or do you know)? This is important, as that class of meds is usually the best option/gold standard for post-surgical pain.

You can find the whole pharmacopeia by googling: post surgical medication

(I prefer to recommend search criteria to provide a more well-rounded perspective on a question rather than specific links that might be biased or incomprehensive.)

Chronic neuropathic pain is often treated with gabapentin, Lyrica, and/or topiramate. I don't know of post-surgical pain being treated with those, as they can take some time to build up to efficacy.

You might try googling: post surgical neuropathic pain

HTH,

Doc

[ejwblibby]

[Thankyou for your response. I have decided to consult the anaesthetist who would be looking after me and post op care. I can't do that until I have a definite day for surgery. So I am going back to my neurosurgeon on Monday week to ask questions and get the referral. In the mean time I will discuss this with my GP who returns from holidays next week and see if she will refer me to a pain specialist. It is a bit of an awkward situation. I know the disc can't be left where it is because I can feel pain when I breathe and the neuropathic symptoms although they have been reduced due to nortriptyline are very unpleasant.
Libby



QUOTE=spine95;878768]Perhaps you might consider a referral to a pain specialist ASAP. My own personal opinion ......surgeons are not the best choice for managing post op pain. They really don't want that job anyhow as their waiting rooms tend to be filled with pre-op and immediately post op patients and don't have the time or room for the post op patients who will be dealing with ongoing issues while they heal. A pain specialist will be trained to sort out which medications will give you the best relief without causing problems per your history. It would be best to have a plan in place before the surgery. For that matter, if there have been medication issues in the hospital when you were immediately post op, you could request that your pain doc manage your pain while there. It is done every day. Best wishes.[/QUOTE]

[Spiney95]

Originally Posted by Dr. Smith

I don't disagree with any of that, but doesn't it seem that dealing with post-op pain should be the responsibility of the guy cutting (causing the surgical pain), and part of the whole surgical package? It's not some PN doctor who's cutting into the patient - it's the surgeon. Since most PM docs come from anethesiology anyway, maybe it should be part of the anesthesiologist's purview(?)

Asking a PM doctor to deal with pain caused by another seems like cleaning up someone else's mess. And unfortunately, when surgery doesn't work as expected, it winds up that way anyhow.

I don't know... just rambling a bit.

Doc

Well Doc, as usual, I agree with you. Perhaps I have had bad luck with the surgeons who have worked on me but NONE of them wanted to do post op pain. Most referred me on at four weeks post op. With that in mind, I made certain I had one in the wings who was familiar with my back and had a reasonable relationship with the surgeons. At this point, I have had the same pain doc, physiatrist, treat me since 2000. He has the bigger picture relative to my problems and is a real blessing post op. It's good to have a safety net. Have a good day.

[Dr. Smith]

Originally Posted by spine95

Well Doc, as usual, I agree with you. Perhaps I have had bad luck with the surgeons who have worked on me but NONE of them wanted to do post op pain. Most referred me on at four weeks post op.

Ah... when "post-op" was mentioned, I was thinking about the first few days following the procedure to deal with pain from the procedure.

Residual pain, once that from the surgery itself has worn off, I guess would be appropriate/logical to hand off/back to a PM specialist, physiatrist, etc. until it's determined if rehab will work or the surgery failed, or whatever. Sometimes surgery is supposed to alleviate pain; others it's just supposed to (hopefully) keep things from getting any worse.

Nothing is ever easy.

Doc

[rzakaria]

HI Libby. I have a family friend who had a similar situation and had an excellent surgeon perform the surgery. The recovery was not bad at all from what I saw. It may really depend on the person who is operating though.

I hope this helps. Also, please let me know and I can find out the name of the surgeon if you need it.

Best of luck!

Originally Posted by ejwblibby

I am in the awful predicament of facing surgery on my thoracic spine. I have a ruptured T7/8 disc which is pressing into my spinal cord centrally. I tripped about six weeks ago and had another MRI which showed that it had moved further into my cord. I have a numb left foot and terrible tingles in both legs accompanied by nerve pain down both legs. My neurosurgeon is concerned about the protruding disc causing permanent damage if left too long. He also said that the fact that it moved further showed it hadn't started to calcify and it would be unlikely to resolve without surgery, the risk being it could move even further into my cord.
My main concern is post surgical pain relief. I had a cervical disc replacement surgery four years ago and having had previous fusions etc with discs rupturing and had to do it with just panadol of all things for pain relief post surgery. I can't take morphine or pethidine or any drugs from their families. My surgeon has told me it will be very painful surgery - what are the options for pain relief? I will have to have this disc removed. I feel sick within myself and it is very painful as it is along with the tingles etc.
Just wondering if anyone has had this surgery and what was done for pain management eg nerve block etc
Also how long did it take to recover?
Thankyou
Libby

[ejwblibby]

Thankyou for your reply. My surgeon is considered to be the top of the field in Australia. He has already operated on my neck and I trust him completely.
He did say that this would be far more major surgery than the others on my neck because of its location. How long did it take your friend to recover and did they have residual chest pain from the surgery itself?
Libby

Originally Posted by rzakaria

HI Libby. I have a family friend who had a similar situation and had an excellent surgeon perform the surgery. The recovery was not bad at all from what I saw. It may really depend on the person who is operating though.

I hope this helps. Also, please let me know and I can find out the name of the surgeon if you need it.

Best of luck!