[lou_lou]

From The Times
March 6, 2008

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...uff&ATTR=ind25

An unsanitised history of washing
To modern Westerners life without showers is unimaginable, but mankind somehow survived before the advent of soap and deodorants

Katherine Ashenburg
For the modern, middle-class North American, “clean” means that you shower and apply deodorant each and every day without fail. For the aristocratic 17th-century Frenchman, it meant that he changed his linen shirt daily and dabbled his hands in water, but never touched the rest of his body with water or soap. For the Roman in the first century, it involved two or more hours of splashing, soaking and steaming the body in water of various temperatures, raking off sweat and oil with a metal scraper, and giving himself a final oiling - all done daily, in company and without soap.

Even more than in the eye or the nose, cleanliness exists in the mind of the beholder. Every culture defines it for itself, choosing what it sees as the perfect point between squalid and over-fastidious.

It follows that hygiene has always been a convenient stick with which to beat other peoples, who never seem to get it right. The outsiders usually err on the side of dirtiness. The ancient Egyptians thought that sitting a dusty body in still water, as the Greeks did, was a foul idea. Late 19th-century Americans were scandalised by the dirtiness of Europeans; the Nazis promoted the idea of Jewish uncleanliness. At least since the Middle Ages, European travellers have enjoyed nominating the continent's grubbiest country - the laurels usually went to France or Spain. Sometimes the other is, suspiciously, too clean, which is how the Muslims, who scoured their bodies and washed their genitals, struck Europeans for centuries. The Muslims returned the compliment, regarding Europeans as downright filthy.

Most modern people have a sense that not much washing was done until the 20th century, and the question I was asked most often while writing this book always came with a look of barely contained disgust: “But didn't they smell?”


As St Bernard said, where all stink, no one smells. The scent of one another's bodies was the ocean our ancestors swam in, and they were used to the everyday odour of dried sweat. It was part of their world, along with the smells of cooking, roses, garbage, pine forests and manure.

Twenty years ago, aircraft, restaurants, hotel rooms and most other public indoor spaces were thick with cigarette smoke. Most of us never noticed it. Now that these places are usually smoke-free, we shrink back affronted when we enter a room where someone has been smoking. The nose is adaptable, and teachable.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...uff&ATTR=ind25

[dbiker2]

I'm sorry.....I guess I miss your point........

[lou_lou]

Originally Posted by dbiker2

I'm sorry.....I guess I miss your point........

Dear dbiker -Thank you for asking!
I have had this Mr.Parkinson's following me around for 15 plus years,
it is very healthy to think on other modalities of health...
I am thankful that I had been told by a friend who passed away 3 years ago who had been a poet/ engineer/friend/ father/ and parkie
-to pretend you are not ill if at all possible* truly great advise...

We need to start thinking about other things besides ourselves - and PD...
if you really want to be your disease, think about it 24/7,

we need to bathe our minds and relax and possibly -quit thinking about PD, there are so many people on this forum -that are much worse than "Just us".

continue to broaden your psyche -
the subject of pure/and nothing else but the PD monster...makes me seek out - what is really actually "the most" important issues or people in my life..
Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.

[dbiker2]

I agree that we should not let PD consume us. Even during the best of times we still know it is always there.

I just thought your post was rather odd ......I didnt see any connection with PD.....thought I was missing something.

Thank you....

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