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Old 08-09-2016, 04:53 PM #31
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Legal advice.... never gets this 'fixed". But, you have a better chance at finding out what the problem is by getting more opinions from doctors/dentists the attorney recommends. Knowing what's wrong sure puts you in a different state of mind! It's won't kill you under normal circumstances....
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Okay .. so your husband is an attorney. Then he can probably tell you how difficult it would be to win a case against a dentist. However, it can be done, but the plaintiff needs to have an incredibly "rare" attorney who will not hesitate to take it on. The plaintiff also needs to have ALL of their ducks in a row. By any chance does your husband know of the attorney that Cleo recommended? Any chance your husband could give him a call on your behalf or even go with you to a consultation?

You may need to pursue legal help sooner than you would like if you cannot get an oral surgeon and an ENT to collaborate and take your situation seriously. You can't keep getting scans and ending up in one dead end after another. What does your husband say about all that is going on?

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Right now I am not even thinking of lawsuits, I just want to be fixed. San Francisco is on the other end of California. It is too far from here and I am sure he would be expensive. I went to the doctor and I have bronchitis. I also have some sort of infection on my soft palate and my nose is a mess. I know this is being caused by the teeth. I think I just need everything taken out. It is hurting me just to breathe right now. I just cry all the time and this isn't me. Is it possible that there is still infection in there but it isn't showing up on the scans? My husband doesn't know what to do. He is a very mild mannered man and is not a take charge person. He keeps saying be patient they will figure it out. But nobody does. He is the son of a brilliant surgeon so he puts a lot of faith in doctors.
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Crying makes a chronic pain condition worse. No one can help you but yourself at this point. If you think it all needs to come out? Call the dentist who put it in and tell them to take it out!
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Angels,

Please listen to me. I am NOT saying or insinuating that you should sue your oral surgeon at this time or even ever. Let me state that again ... "I" am NOT the one saying you should take legal action against your oral surgeon at this time. The purpose of consulting the attorney, even via the phone, is to see if he can offer you some direction as to where to get the most comprehensive care based on your particular situation. I do not believe he is a "referral service" as it's been insinuated (not by me) on this forum. But if he feels your situation warrants intervention he is likely to refer you. This does not mean you would be obligated to sue your previous surgeon. The only way to know for sure what he would do for you, is to call him and find out.

I would not be encouraging you to contact the attorney, if you had another reputable source to refer you to an oral surgeon and an ENT that you could trust to take care of you.

I am gathering some information for you and in a few minutes will send you a personal message. Before you do anything else, please check your PM and let me know your feedback.

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Right now I am not even thinking of lawsuits, I just want to be fixed. San Francisco is on the other end of California. It is too far from here and I am sure he would be expensive. I went to the doctor and I have bronchitis. I also have some sort of infection on my soft palate and my nose is a mess. I know this is being caused by the teeth. I think I just need everything taken out. It is hurting me just to breathe right now. I just cry all the time and this isn't me. Is it possible that there is still infection in there but it isn't showing up on the scans? My husband doesn't know what to do. He is a very mild mannered man and is not a take charge person. He keeps saying be patient they will figure it out. But nobody does. He is the son of a brilliant surgeon so he puts a lot of faith in doctors.
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Cleo,

I'm sure Angels knows that she has to help herself and she would do that if she felt more confident in going in one direction over another.

Angels has posted that the oral surgeon that placed the implant scared her into doing it. He also has not been forthcoming with any findings on her panoramic xrays or scans both prior and after the surgeries. He has also repetitively dismissed her ongoing symptoms of ill health. Perhaps he is not the one she should continue to rely on for her dental care.

Also, you may not know this but it is not that simple to just go to the surgeon and say.. take this implant out. The surgeon legally has to agree that there are reasons beyond any doubt to remove it. If he doesn't agree and something goes wrong or something unexpected occurs after the surgery, he can be sued big time for performing surgery that he did not think was warranted.


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Angels,

In my PM to you I've asked you to check back here as I would attach a diagram of the anatomy of a tooth. The dentin tubules.... which are many many hundreds of microscopic canals.... are depicted in this diagram.

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In my PM to you I've asked you to check back here as I would attach a diagram of the anatomy of a tooth. The dentin tubules.... which are many many hundreds of microscopic canals.... are depicted in this diagram.

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Hi Bryanna,
I know I am going to need to get this implant taken out regardless. My left ear is ringing so bad now and I can't hear out of it very well. What worries me is if they take it out can that affect the trigeminal nerve? In looking at pictures it doesn't seem like it is anywhere near tooth 14. Tomorrow I have the MRI. I am praying that it sees something. When I zoom in on the tooth I can't see it anymore. Also, how is a bone infection detected?
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Angels,

Removing the implant would only be a part of the remedy, but not the cure. First the proliferation of the infection and bone deterioration of your upper left maxillary arch and sinus, needs to be determined as best as possible before any oral surgery is done. Otherwise, the surgery will be incomplete. The proliferation of the systemic infection, meaning in your blood system, needs to be evaluated with specific blood tests prescribed by a knowledgeable practitioner (perhaps infection disease specialist) who knows what key markers to look for in the blood. A culture of the findings is also very helpful to determine the proper antibiotic(s) to use. This is not just a routine blood test.

A planned surgical approach to remove the implant and debride the areas of infection from the bone and sinus is then presented and executed in conjunction with the administration of the proper medication.

Jaw bone infection is determined by several things. The more pronounce the infection the easier it is to pick up. It can often be seen radio graphically on some 2 and usually 3 dimensional xrays, 3D CT Scans, some MRI's, bone scans, and when a surgeon goes in to extract a tooth or place a dental implant the infected bone has an odor that is hard to miss ... it can usually be seen and/or felt with surgical instruments as the infected bone is not solid or the same color as healthy bone.

The trigeminal nerve has many sensory branches which feed into other nerve bundles throughout the head, face and neck. Each tooth in the mouth is intimately connected to sensory nerves that stem off of the trigeminal nerve.
Residual infection in the jaw bone of extracted 14 and 15 and/or in the sinus of same area ... in addition to the dental implant in 14 site could easily be irritating and inflaming the sensory nerves of the TN that affect the ear, thus the ringing in your ear, etc.

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I know I am going to need to get this implant taken out regardless. My left ear is ringing so bad now and I can't hear out of it very well. What worries me is if they take it out can that affect the trigeminal nerve? In looking at pictures it doesn't seem like it is anywhere near tooth 14. Tomorrow I have the MRI. I am praying that it sees something. When I zoom in on the tooth I can't see it anymore. Also, how is a bone infection detected?
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Removing the implant would only be a part of the remedy, but not the cure. First the proliferation of the infection and bone deterioration of your upper left maxillary arch and sinus, needs to be determined as best as possible before any oral surgery is done. Otherwise, the surgery will be incomplete. The proliferation of the systemic infection, meaning in your blood system, needs to be evaluated with specific blood tests prescribed by a knowledgeable practitioner (perhaps infection disease specialist) who knows what key markers to look for in the blood. A culture of the findings is also very helpful to determine the proper antibiotic(s) to use. This is not just a routine blood test.

A planned surgical approach to remove the implant and debride the areas of infection from the bone and sinus is then presented and executed in conjunction with the administration of the proper medication.

Jaw bone infection is determined by several things. The more pronounce the infection the easier it is to pick up. It can often be seen radio graphically on some 2 and usually 3 dimensional xrays, 3D CT Scans, some MRI's, bone scans, and when a surgeon goes in to extract a tooth or place a dental implant the infected bone has an odor that is hard to miss ... it can usually be seen and/or felt with surgical instruments as the infected bone is not solid or the same color as healthy bone.

The trigeminal nerve has many sensory branches which feed into other nerve bundles throughout the head, face and neck. Each tooth in the mouth is intimately connected to sensory nerves that stem off of the trigeminal nerve.
Residual infection in the jaw bone of extracted 14 and 15 and/or in the sinus of same area ... in addition to the dental implant in 14 site could easily be irritating and inflaming the sensory nerves of the TN that affect the ear, thus the ringing in your ear, etc.

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I am going in for an MRI in a few hours. the whole area where the implant was placed is aching and hurting off and on and I am getting a very sour taste in that area. Even my jaw is hurting. The left side of my neck is swollen and my left ear is ringing loudly still. I feel horrible like I have an infection still. It has been a tough day as I almost lost my puppy who had a severe anaphylactic shock after she got stung by a bee this morning. Thank god I threw her in the car and took her to,the ER. Hopefully I will be able to sleep in the MRI tube. I really hope it shows something, I truly don't know how I will live with this much longer.
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Angels,

You do have an infection and it needs to be properly diagnosed. You cannot go on much longer like this without further problems developing. I hope the MRI is diagnostic of that area. However, I would not solely rely on the opinion of your oral surgeon or the ENT because they have both be dismissal and non informative in the past.

I hope your puppy is okay... how scary!!

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I am going in for an MRI in a few hours. the whole area where the implant was placed is aching and hurting off and on and I am getting a very sour taste in that area. Even my jaw is hurting. The left side of my neck is swollen and my left ear is ringing loudly still. I feel horrible like I have an infection still. It has been a tough day as I almost lost my puppy who had a severe anaphylactic shock after she got stung by a bee this morning. Thank god I threw her in the car and took her to,the ER. Hopefully I will be able to sleep in the MRI tube. I really hope it shows something, I truly don't know how I will live with this much longer.
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