Link to Dr Wise Young's info on alcoholc neuropathy reversing?

murgy · 10-05-2008, 08:14 PM

Hi,
I am new and not sure where to ask this question. Does anyone have the link to Dr Wise Young's information on alcoholic neuropathy reversing in 5 years.... that is something I would really like to read. I have alcoholoc neuropathy myself (for the past 4 and a half years). Have stopped drinking, taking Benfotiamine, Calcium, Magnesium, etc. Have definitely seen some improvement. Most of the pain has gone, but still left with the numbness....

murgy

mrsD · 10-06-2008, 12:09 AM

We cannot put links to other health forums here, but here is a quote from Wise Young:

Quote:

Alcoholic neuropathy is not well understood. For many years, it was attributed to the poor diet that alcoholics have, including the lack of vitamin B, particularly thiamine and folic acid. Some people have attributed it to toxic effects of alcohol. Personally, I am not sure that it is related to alcohol. Several attempts have been made to reproduce alcohol neuropathy by giving alcohol long-term to animals but without success. In my opinion, it is not a toxic effect of alcohol on the nerves but a nutritional deficiency. It is also possible that it is a result of toxins that may be present in certain types of alcohols.

The diagnosis of alcohol neuropathy is demonstration of sensory deficits in the peripheral system (or slowed conduction time in the peripheral nerves) associated with prolonged heavy continuous alcohol consumption. It may manifest in other nerves besides the legs, particularly the vagus nerve which tends to show up as increased heart-rate (since the vagus nerve reduces heart rate) and other autonomic neuropathy. Alcoholic neuropathy occurs more frequently in women and involves multiple nerves, e.g. polyneuropathy.

In general, the symptoms of alcoholic neuropathy include early numbness of the soles, particularly at night in the beginning. "Pins and needles" sensations develop and may progress to severe and lancinating pain. The symptoms start distally and progress proximally. When the symptoms involve areas above the ankle, some numbness of the fingertips may occur, with stocking and glove pattern of sensory involvement. Sensory ataxia may result. Autonomic dysfunction are more rare but may manifest as loss of heart rate reflex changes, abnormaly pupillary function, sexual impotence, and sleep apnea, orthostatic hypotension, hypothermia, and gait problems.

If he does have alcohol neuropathy, the prognosis is good, if he stops drinking and has a normal diet (see http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic11.htm) The axons should regenerate. I don't know where the suggestion comes from that this is permanent but it is not true. If it does not reverse, this suggests that there is some other cause other than alcoholic neuropathy.

Wise.

I'll send you a PM with the link to it.

In the meantime, I'd suggest thiamine or its new form
benfotiamine. If you search those two words here, you'll find past posts of mine about both.

neomyth@mac.com · 03-03-2009, 05:08 PM

Hello,

I'm new to NeuroTalk and would be most grateful if anyone could provide me a link to Dr. Wise Young's article referencing alcohol neuropathy and his belief that it can be reversed in 5 years.

Thanks!

mrsD · 03-03-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neomyth@mac.com

Hello,

I'm new to NeuroTalk and would be most grateful if anyone could provide me a link to Dr. Wise Young's article referencing alcohol neuropathy and his belief that it can be reversed in 5 years.

Thanks!

Just Google him with the qualifier of alcohol neuropathy.
It will come up in the list. That is how I found him.

neomyth@mac.com · 03-03-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD

Just Google him with the qualifier of alcohol neuropathy.
It will come up in the list. That is how I found him.

Thanks! I tried that previously but the specific article that was quoted on this forum doesn't show up. I found many other articles written by him, but not the one referencing "Alcohol Neuropathy" and healing within 5 years. Any additional help would be greatly appreciated.

mrsD · 03-04-2009, 08:09 AM

The quote I put up is the direct quote from Dr. Wise Young.

It was posted on the Rutger's CareCure forums.

I don't know if there is a "paper" on it. That quote is just an opinion he gave publicly.

Search of PubMed does not show a paper.

His opinion is that nutrition may help with alcohol induced neuropathy. That is why I put up the thiamine and benfotiamine recommendations.

zorro1 · 03-20-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD

The quote I put up is the direct quote from Dr. Wise Young.

It was posted on the Rutger's CareCure forums.

I don't know if there is a "paper" on it. That quote is just an opinion he gave publicly.

Search of PubMed does not show a paper.

His opinion is that nutrition may help with alcohol induced neuropathy. That is why I put up the thiamine and benfotiamine recommendations.

Mrs D there is a paper on it. I have lost the link but if one googles his thread you will find a study with 10 chronic alcoholics with medically proven P/N. They were different ages from 70 down and EVERY single one had there P/N reversed 100% amazing to read and I will try to find the link to the study

mrsD · 03-21-2009, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zorrro13

Mrs D there is a paper on it. I have lost the link but if one googles his thread you will find a study with 10 chronic alcoholics with medically proven P/N. They were different ages from 70 down and EVERY single one had there P/N reversed 100% amazing to read and I will try to find the link to the study

That would be very helpful. I couldn't find it.

Be sure to only quote a portion of that study and include the link to the paper (NT guidelines for posting others' work)

I think many people have PN and are blamed unnecessarily for alcohol, when in fact supplements can help this type.

onlyhuman · 07-28-2016, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zorro1

Mrs D there is a paper on it. I have lost the link but if one googles his thread you will find a study with 10 chronic alcoholics with medically proven P/N. They were different ages from 70 down and EVERY single one had there P/N reversed 100% amazing to read and I will try to find the link to the study

Hi, i just wanted to follow up on this and see if you could please provide a link to this. Thank you!

mrsD · 07-29-2016, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbsiete

Hi, i just wanted to follow up on this and see if you could please provide a link to this. Thank you!

We have a long thread on our addictions forum that has several people who have struggled with alcohol and its destructive
actions.

http://www.neurotalk.org/alcoholism-...europathy.html

Some on that thread, have improved tremendously and a few who are not moving so quickly to healing.

On that thread is a link with new research about the toxic direct effects of alcohol on nerves in the periphery...DNA damage.

Alcohol Leaves Its Mark on Young People’s DNA | Psych Central News

The ability of people with different genetics, to remove the aldehyde toxins from alcohol metabolism, is probably a reason that studies are not that accurate yet.
These aldehydes are neurotoxic and some people vary in the ability for thiamine to work on those enzymes well.

So while the clinical observations of Dr. Wise Young are very valid...they may not pertain to every drinker equally.

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