thank you Pamster
jena...sorry if you felt the subject of a mod-pile

that was not the intent.
Just as you answer our posts I think we were simply answering points you had made.
Certainly my post was only directed for your attention when I mentioned your name, and to respond to the very specific points you had made, and thereafter I was talking more to ALL of us.
Bottom line is, this thread is welcome to continue as long as the polite requests that KD and I have made are heeded.
This is not singling out any previous posters, but generalizing for ALL posters.
We value opinions, we treasure free speech....but whenever these become even vaguely flaming or accusatory, we have to intervene, especially for the sake of members who already have quite enough battles to face in life, without having to see this one resurface.
Time to move forward doncha think!