WEll, you shoulda said you were bringing the muffins...haah....post when the next one is, ill try to make it. Manhattan is a hike for me, and it seems that every thing i belong to meets on thursdays. I had another meeting last night. I do like to get that concrete under my feet from time to time, and believe it or not i actually breath better in the city....too many trees out here, they are killing me. I wouldnt know which group to break into though, i belong in a few of them....thanks for the info.