Another brave topic Renee....the pro-life thing is a minefield, and I don't think anyone wins in the whole sad business. Except perhaps the private clinics - you are right I think in your cynicism for their priorities at times.

I've always found the right of the unborn child debate very uncomfortable. What is really better for the child? To be terminated before it has been born, or to be another unwanted, possibly abused or neglected child, born into a difficult situation and not really wanted, who has an unhappy childhood and difficult adult life? Again, I think that if the mother wants a termination, after counselling and consideration, then that probably means its better in the end for that unborn child. Of course some women must regret their decision, but I'm betting far more are relieved. Abortion is a tragic thing, but solving it should come down to better birth control and sexual habits, rather than forcing women (and their children) to suffer the results of careless sex, abuse or unwantedly high fertility.

I think both arguments come down to the same thing. What exactly is life? Is it just the action of surviving and breathing in and out, or is it more than that? Is it quality of life?

As with all of this thread, just my opinion and hopefully not upsetting to anyone. Apologies if any of my thoughts offend. This is a very interesting and thought-provoking thread, and I'm glad we can have these discussions in a responsible adult way.

Bram.