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Default VItamin B6 Tests

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Originally Posted by mrsD View Post
Sorry I missed this post some how....

I'd stop all B6, and get retested.

But you know when you are taking vitamins they will show up in the testing as "highs" but you may be having symptoms from something else.

How old are you? Old enough for blood pressure medications?
The dermatological issues may be from something else you are eating or taking in RX medication form?

The prime cause of dermagraphia can be ACE inhibitors used for blood pressure. Angioedema can be from allergies or a condition called hereditary angioedema. The latter is from excess bradykinin and not histamine which is in the allergic type.
They are similar since both chemicals are biogenic amines. But the cause is different. The ACE inhibitors cause a buildup of bradykinin, and if a person is low in C-1 inhibitor, due to genetic reasons, then the excess causes all sorts of symptoms. Swelling of parts of the body, dry cough, difficulty breathing and the skin redness/itching etc are all symptoms. With HAE there are GI symptoms too, pain, cramping diarrhea, vomiting are all possible.

Blood work from labs does not take into account any vitamins you may be getting in food. OTC products like 5 hr energy, energy drinks, fortified cereals, etc can all have B6 in them. The lab ranges vary depending on the lab too. All the ranges were made using "normals" who were NOT taking any B6. Labs make mistakes and miscalibrate machines. Quest did this TWICE and one of those times lasted a whole year with Vit D testing! All their reports for that year were erroneous!

I have on this thread, a paper done on autistic children who were screened prior to B6 therapy...and some were found to be high in B6 already and not using B6 at all. This situation demonstrates that some people may be high in this vitamin, and just not know it. And it calls into question how accurate labs may be or not, and how useful the testing really is. All of the B6 papers I've seen only address intake resulting in symptoms. The blood work often does not make it into the abstracts available on PubMed.

I believe that the testing for B6 tests for all forms in the body, and pyridoxine has 2 other forms that are floating around.
It is possible that handling of the specimen can result in lysis (rupture) of the cells which then spill out their contents into the serum, which is tested. This happens with potassium testing, as well. It is called a factitious result.

B6 testing is not that common, and may not have made it to the research level yet, to reveal errors of this type.

Long term high dosing at one time was common, in treatments for PMS in women. Some people were taking 500mg or more a day. This has moved out of the common arena today, so B6 testing is not commonly done. Having a lab do a CELLULAR value would demonstrate more IMO. Only some special labs do this type of nutrient evaluation.

The classic symptoms of B6 toxicity are neurological, with numbness and difficulty walking predominately. Not rashes or hives which suggest allergy or bradykinin issues.

I'd consult an allergy doctor for your skin problems, if you haven't already, and if you have other symptoms that point to HAE, I'd get the testing for that which most immunologists do:

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Another cause of severe allergic issues is mastocytosis.. and that is genetic too.

Certain foods and families of foods can cause skin reactions.
Histamine releasers and histamine found in food are something you should check, after you look at any RX or OTC drug you may be reacting to:

So I do really think you need further evaluation by a doctor specializing in allergies etc.


mrsD,

Thank you for your reply..

Here is additional information about me that address your questions.

1) I am 49 years old male. I don't have blood perssure or diabetes. My cholesterol is borderline high and I used to take Niacin 1000 mg daily for it. It went up when I stoppped niacin for 6 months due to my skin issue and I went back and took niacin and Cholestoff (6 tabs/day). It dropped from 260 to 190 and LDL from 199 to 130.

2) I am not taking any supplements with B6 or any high energy drinks. I used to have a memory/focus pill and Emergen vitamin C drink that has 20 mg of B6 but stopped it a while back. The quantity is also very low to cause a high level of Vitamin B6.

3) I do lots of exercise (5 times/week) doing variety of things. I do have microscopic blood in urine for several years but from what I read this is normal and unrelated.

4) I have seen over 10 doctors and I have lost faith in the medical field. I saw two allergists, four dermatologists, three internists, infectious disease specialist, etc..

They did all kinds of tests and nothing came positive. In fact, one allergist made things worse by the anti bacterial cream he gave me. I also did urology tests thinking some urinary tract infection might cause this but it was not. Some dermatologists suspected Schistosoma (parasitic infection) but I tested for it three times and it was negative.

My diagnosis was "Uriticaria Dermatogrpahia" and the best they can do is prescribe AntiHistamines like Allegra, Doxepin, Zyrtec, Claritin, etc..

5) I did the food and chemical allergy tests and the tests shows some allergies to peanuts and some unknown chemical used in hair dyes.

I know that my case is not related to allergic reaction becaus I had those several times and they would go away when I stop the a supplement or powder.

6) My symptoms (red itchy rash on legs) started after I had some knee pains and I strated taking knee supplement.

I took this this product "ostesport" for 3 months starting in September, 2012

and Flex animal for 2 weeks in December, 2012

Then I woke up with Hives and my skin problems started and it kept coming back in a cycle.


I always suspected that these supplements are the one that caused my condition and I stopped immediately all
kinds of supplements.


I always thought my condition was due to some internal infection (not external skin) like Parasite, Fungus, bacteria.

I started doing the Natural Health treatment. I took Hulda Clark Parasite cleanse and felt a difference after taking the green blackwalnut black hull. This convinced me that this must be some kind of parasite.

from what I read there are 100 types of praasites and labs that do stool or urine tests may not be accurate because it may not exist and they might use a small sample that does not have it and they only look for one type.

The other thing I Suspected was the abnormal high VItamin B6. I am not taking any B6 supplement. Also I do not understand why it is not being excerted with urin since it is water soluble.

I also suspected Liver issue due to High B6 since the liver converts it to P-5-P.
I want to do another test for B6.
Can Labs test for B6 and P-5-P in two different tests? Everytime I ask them They do not seem to know the difference.

Also, B6 is a soluble and should be exerted in urine so I don't understand how can a blood test show high value?

I was also considering MMS (miracle mineral supplement) since it was listed as the best cleanser for parasites.
I have not taken that yet and I noticed that the ban on it.
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