Thanks kiwi, don't know why some links open and some don't when I post ...

I know that other research centers from Mayo and Univ of Maryland, and Sloan Kettering also do this research, and probably others I don't know about as I haven't searched them all. Good on the estrogen issue too, as I take DHEA for many years, not as long as grape seed ex and do not get mamms. Had 2 in my early 50's and that's been it.