Yes I tried the mg lotion, and it didn't help at all. Now I'm trying a roll on which has eucalyptus oil 3.86 % , tea tree oil 4.25 % as active, and olive oil and vanilin as inactive ingredients. But I heard clove oil , peppermint and lavender oil are all good for pain relief ? Can I use the roll on in the morning and evening ( like they suggest on the box ) and use these other ones mixed with a carrier oil around mid day ? Or that's too much of essential oils ?