Dave, I've been working on my own healing over 25 yrs now. The traditional world did the damage I'm dealing with. Thanks for your concern.

DejaVu: I've had damage from some drugs, so I choose this way. There are trade-offs. I'm OK enough with my choice to keep comfortable. Can't reverse the surgery and years of advancing OA.

I just ordered a 2 oz trial of the red Kratom and will see how that works in my body.