Thanks bizi, thanks Kay, you are so kind. I know I go for long stretches, usually those are good productive times. I am in a slump right now, trying to get my palms in order, they hurt so much, the right has a tendon problem that might need a release surgery. (oh joy!) And then the left is angry from the endoscope that did the release on the carpal tunnel. I feel different pain now, it took about 6 months before it really got better.