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Originally Posted by DarKnight
Hey again. I did read your articles but T.O.S was only mentioned 2 times, 1 time it even says " Thoracic outlet syndrome may be involved".
I am just trying to understand what you are trying to say here - shoulders are dropped, so fix shoulder muscles, and that will fix T.O.S because magic? all of the sudden the scalenes will be healed? pec minor? would it not make more sense to actually work on the bad muscles such as pec minor and scalenes? work on the shoulder too just as a precaution because when the shoulder is dropped the hand is also dropped and that can further damage the muscles. that's called an aggrevator, not a direct cause - rather indirect.
and Roo's test is indeed accurate but needs to be combined with other tests such as laterally raising the hand up and waiting a few seconds, or stretching the median & ulnar nerves and seeing if they are tense(it should hurt a lot. look these stretches up on youtube). so don't doubt these tests man. they specifically activate certain nerves and they can imply T.O.S. remember that many syndromes can happen simutainsly to people like the two of us who worked infront of the PC. so you can have T.O.S from simply straining the muscles.
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If you read the blog and read the exercises.. and watched the videos there are actually videos on how to strengthen scalenes. If your shoulder is dropped or droopy it puts excessive tension on the neck muscles including the scalenes. By strengthening the shoulder girdle and neck musculature it allows the shoulder to rise up and lifts the collarbone. When the shoulder is lifted the scalenes, levator scapulae, and upper trap are no longer put on a chronic stretch which causes the atrophy. So no. It's not magic. Pec minor is also a shoulder muscle. The pec minor and latissimus dorsi pull you into hunched posture and also can aid in the process of droopy shoulder syndrome. By strengthening the shoulder and stretching the lats and pecs minor, they will slowly work back to their lengthened state.
I'm not a big fan of your condescending tone in your messages. If you didn't notice I said this isn't a cure all for everyone. I also linked to several scientific studies where they had success treating some people with thoracic outlet syndrome "like" symptoms. My point is that thoracic outlet syndrome is a series of symptoms, it is not a proper diagnoses. By that I mean just saying you have thoracic outlet syndrome does not imply any cause. There are many causes of thoracic outlet syndrome. This is ONE of them. I do not have cervical ribs, and quite frankly I don't buy that I suddenly have a deformation or issue with a muscle for no reason.
My reasoning is such that I got myself here with poor habits and movement patterns, therefore there must be a way to restore proper movement and habits and heal. If you choose to believe that you have lived your entire life with a deformed scalenes that all the sudden began causing you symptoms that is fantastic. I hope you find your answer to your problems. I am just trying to provide ideas for people that are suffering as I am.
There is no need for you to shoot down ideas, and reputable research. That only adds to the hopelessness that I am sure many people feel. There is no magic in working hard to fix your body. What is "magic" to me is that you can "release" a muscle and it magically heals people. If that worked would this forum even exist? Everyone would just go to the massage therapist every once in a while and be fine.
By the way I know about the nerve glides, and yes they hurt. But imply does not mean you have it. Like I said. Many people can show false positives, this is why they are not considered reliable tests. But I am honestly done replying to you. You choose to believe what you want. I will continue to try and find answers and share what I find.
Based on what I have read from you, you have accepted the idea that you just have a bad scalene and it can't be fixed. If you feel that way, go get the surgery and be done with it.