Thanks Brian. What patches are you talking about? I have the lidocaine patch and it doesn't help. I'm wondering about the fennyle(?) patch or something. I'm going to ucla I think if I go there which I think I'm going to for a trial and my apt is on the 4th. As for the fat what kind of doc would that be? I have a reumotolgist apt at ucla too on the 17th. I already went to the endocronolgist. You know before this I was on every med well not every but you know what I mean. It never helped. I only had weird issues. For ex I was on such a high dose of trazedone for sleep. It never helped the sleep and at such high dose I got migranes and walked into walls but was up. I need to find the right doc so far all the supposed "best" have been what I call nicken poops.