Hi Beth thanks for telling me about the chest tube and the other info. I very much agree about the vitamin E i used the oil on my carpel tunnel scares and it did make a big difference i also had a ovary removed last Feb and again used the oil on my lower tummy i only had three little scares but you can hardly see them. And ice i can not handle any ice or cold on my arms or hands the pain is unreal this has been going ever since this whole mess started Sep 2004. I had the carpel tunnel release done on right Jan 06 and march 06 on the left. I still have carpel tunnel on my right and it is worse then before the release any ways thank you once again for the info at lest now i know more about what to expect for time line on the recovery and what to expect for the healing.