This is the problem with a thread like this. Everyone wonders if the person or persons are referring to them. If i caused anyone any consternation i apologize. No one has been rude to me and when they answer are helpful and encouraging. Between this and braintalk forums ive been posting for 4 years and many times i just feel that i dont fit in. I guess i ll have to find a dumbed down board (joking). What Rfinney wrote struck a chord with me and i wanted to tell him that he is not alone in feeling so.