Thanks Melody. I think from what the ucla doc said the reason no on that patch is because I will need something long term and that is not good for other issues in the body. WHen I was taking vicadin which i know is hard on the liver they really pushed me off of it regardless of pain level. I had a pretty easy time though stopping cause even when I took it my pain was high. So it has been over 4 months without it. I don't want other problems in life as I have enough. I do know some of the med issue I feel is because of my age cause the docs often say because your young I don't want to give you A for example. I understand that but would like to make it to be older at the same time don't want more problems in my 30's,40's so on. Thanks for your input.