DanP I'm just like you in non of the meds like lyrica so on give me relief. That is why I asked my neuro about the patch and she said it was maybe an option but to go to the pain doc. So I went and he said no cause I need long term so only the stimulator. I meant to ask why the patch couldn't be long term. Is it because it is a narcotic? Also maybe cause my age? I'm so happy you found what works for you. Your an inspiration cause most people your age without pn would not do all you do. You deserve a lot of credit.