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mrsD · 02-23-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HeyJoe

there was a guy on the old "other" web site who used to experiment with taking different forms and doses of b12 and would post his results with himself and his family. Dibencozide (adenosylcobalamin) was one of those. He was from Utah i think but i dont remember his name. I havent seen him around in a long time. Its a shame but im pretty sure that you wont be able to search for this because all of their archives are on ice.

You are talking about FRED I believe. I haven't seen him for years on the net, at least where I look around. While I want to remain tactful, the mentioned poster was going very RADICAL with B12. I was disappointed in him, because Rose for years was encouraging us and he took her advice and never once gave her credit or thanked her. I read and posted on many forums at OBT and was very familiar with Fred.
At the end there before he left he was advocating over 40mg a day... which IMO was rather drastic and only supported on some studies for MS from Japan. I would think medical supervision should be had at that dose range.

Here is an article that explains the small differences between methylcobalamin and dibencozide (which has many other names including adenosylcobalamin)

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/b12.htm

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Compared with cyanocobalamin, it appears that both methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin are better absorbed and retained in higher amounts within your tissues. In simple terms, they are used much more effectively. In general, methylcobalamin is used primarily in your liver, brain and nervous system, while adenosylcobalamin is used mostly in the liver and for hemoglobin (blood cell) production

The athletic series refers to mega body building/training which consume huge amounts of vitamins/nutrients. Also there is a B12 thing going for weight loss. Training or body building needs really efficient red blood cell formation.
It is just a classification thing.
Long ago before I found methylB12 I used Country Life's dibencozide sublingual. They were hard as rocks, and convinced me that not much was getting thru that way. So I chewed them up and swallowed them.

There is not much difference that I can see, between the active forms, in that they are both better than cyano.
For our purposes Methyl is fine, and preferred I think.

And here is a sleep quote (this was my most favored response to MethylB12)

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The most well studied use of methylcobalamin has to do with sleep. Although the exact mechanism of action is not yet clear, it is possible that methylcobalamin is needed for the synthesis of melatonin. Available information indicates that methylcobalamin can modulate melatonin secretion, enhance light-sensitivity, and normalize circadian rhythm (your 24-hour clock). Because of this, individuals supplementing this form of B12 often have improved quality of sleep, often will require slightly less sleep, and will not uncommonly report that they feel a bit more refreshed when waking in the morning. Methylcobalamin is particularly effective when your 24-hour clock is not running smoothly. This may be indicated by a need for excessive sleep, changing sleep-wake cycles, or a tendency to have altered sleep wake patterns. As examples, you might require 10-12 hours of sleep, or you might not feel tired until 2-3 am and you might wake at noon, or you might find that you wake a bit later every day and go to be a bit later every night. Under all of these circumstances the combination of methylcobalamin (about 3000 mcg daily) and exposure to bright light in the morning can help reestablish your 24-hour clock.