hi Frank, I had remember that I read an article that debunks the massive black hole's gravitational pull on galaxies (unless they are within the radius) and did some search. While this one seems to be outdated and I've read both supporters and detractors of the theories you've posted(thank goodenss NT was down, I learned a lot of stuff today. LOLOL) For me, mathematically, this article makes more sense to me.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=150 (and yeah, it has "curious" in it's address name LOL)

As with every theory that is out there about our universe. A lot of them are just theories and I am open to all theories so I am not throwing away your view yet, actually. The more I read about it I do tend to agree with you and its supporters. However, I am still with the group that agrees that our solar system has its own relativity of gravitational pull within itself (I'll try to explain my view at the end of this post) It has been very interesting reading up on them and I can say that I am only more confused than ever...LOL (But did LEARN some stuff)

This is what is great about these discussions, we can all chip in on our ideas and then go look for things to support or unsupport the ideas.

btw, which Gilgamesh books have you read? The one that I really love is:

Gilgamesh: By John Gardner and John Maier.

John Gardner wrote the "Sunlight Dialogues" which you might find interesting.

He died in 1982 in a motorcycle accident. However, he did left his last work, a typescript of Gilgamesh which he painstakenly translated mainly from "Sin-leqi-unninni" (who's been credited of marrying the Sumerian and the Akkadian versions of Gilgamesh together) to be published and John Maier did a good job helping to see it to print.

(don't quote me on this but I think the Akkadians conquered the Sumerians and not sure why that is of any significance except for another fun trivia. LOL)

anyways, they printed out all the texts that were found up to that point and included the original texts (translated, of course) in the book. All cuneiforms, complete, incomplete or what not were all included.

To me, they did a great job explaining the text (which was written in prose) and it is a great read. Small paper back.

It talks about that Noah-like dude, Utnapishtim, in more depth than some of the other versions I've read. And it explains the conflict of Ishtar a bit more. And then it goes into more depth about Enkidu.

http://www.amazon.com/Gilgamesh-John...9561752&sr=8-1

I still haven't found my book about the flood being in all major religions but I am almost certain that I did read that Gilgamesh (in Cuneiform and considered by many to be the first novel) was where the very first flood was mentioned (in writing) and then it trickled down onto other religions (I am NOT turning this into a religious talk, folks, just what I've read. )

anyways, just thought you might be interested.

If you have any books that you really love that you think I might be interested, throw the titles my way.

I'd love to read more on whatever ideas...it's really exciting to learn!

I do have to tell you, after all the readings I've done today on Black holes, it's made this already huge black hole of mine bigger...think I have enough gravity to pull my sanity in? LOLOLOL

Oh, BTW, I did read something very interesting today which I never knew...black holes used to be called :Frozen Stars

it wasn't until John Wheeler called his theory "black holes" that black holes became popular...always cool to learn something new!



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btw, Frank

I do want to say that I am still with you on the super black hole being the main gravitational pull. But I still do believe that our solar system has it's own gravitational pull.

while there are many reasons, the main one would be: If the black hole is so strong, it would make not only the sun, but each planet and asteroids and comets and belts revolve around the black hole rather than the sun.

so IMHO I still think that our solar system as a whole, gravitates(revolves) around the black hole as one entitity (as you've mentioned. )

Let me see if I can attempt to illustrate this. LOL

If I use "S" for Sun and each planet's first letter for this equations, i.e. "E" for earth. (And I'll avoid the asteroid belts and others to avoid confusion on my part but I'll throw in Pluto for good measurement. LOL)

so S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p} (all the planets inclusive in the Sun)

and BH will equal black hole

so BH [S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p}]

anyways, this has been a great learning experience, thanks for bringing this up. I've had a lot of fun researching today.