Hi and thanks..............I use the heat patches and they do help for awhile.

Or icy hot roll on. My mom used to use all different kinds of that stuff for her arthritis, I hate the ones that smell. I used to buy her all different kinds, so I kind of know the ones she said worked, and the ones she said didn't.

I also have one of those things you put on a chair, and it rolls and relax's your back, but it doesn't go as low as my lumbar spine. It was a present from friends, it's really nice to have, it's like a massage.

I also use a lumbar support pillow type roll, which helps a bit too, especially when driving.

Think I will put on a patch today, since I have to drive.

Nikko