We all share that and have that aspect of these conditons in common. I can identify with you both. I keep posting here because there is so little information on forums about ON, but my posts could easily go in the spinal disorders thread too since I have the disc issues and the facet junk and radiculopathy going on at the same time. I'm still hanging in here with the pain but I still have the nonstop ON throbbing pain going and my shoulder is giving me fits still along with the stupid red hot poker that is stabbing me in the back of my skull. I think that one is the worst until the burning in the neck starts. That one runs a close second to TN pain in the early days of TN. Ok, I'm rambling here so chalk it up to increased meds. Low pain wishes and peaceful thoughts, EE