Barb - Good luck with the C. Hopefully this time things will go better for you.

I am a manual injector myself. I feel I have better control and can go in at a 45 degree angle on my less fatty areas and can control the depth better. Although, my thighs are out of the question; too many major site reactions, hitting veins, and muscles. I have had IPIR a few times - all from doing my thighs and hitting veins.

Wiz is right, hitting a muscle is painful. So is injecting it cold (did that once and only once LOL).