Thanks for your words. This would be one significant reason why I never made a "success," if that is the right word, of suicide. Just couldn't do it to Mom and Dad. My depression was not their fault. Or, even if they inadvertently said or did some inaccurate raising of me, they certainly didn't mean to. This is the best we can ask of families. Probably even the worst of families do the best they can with what they have to work with. So the "I'll show them" line of suicidal thought should not be a line of thought. The price is too high. For everyone. How can we know we want to die unless we have done so at some point?