Lady - thanks, but I can't do anything that claims to make you either cold or warm. Most of those contain menthol. Thera gesic does too, but I could not see that in the tiny print till i found my jeweler's loupe.

This stuff, the thera gesic, is not too bad. Some of them are just off the charts painful. what is with me?

That's my biggest prob with all these otc creams - menthol. It is on my skin like a jalepeno on the tongue.