I agree with you guys on more than one thing. John should deal with his dad, not me or the kids. It's not that my FIL bothers me or somethin, but he is thrown in mine & my kids' hands sometimes. John & me & the kids are all he's got here in Toledo and often John has to go out of town on business & that leaves me & the kids. I hate that. Also, I agree, older people should be made to have to take a physical test before their license is renewed. I don't drive due to epilepsy because I know a seizure is possible (I don't have auras that warn me like some do). I don't want to hurt or kill someone. Maybe John can get his dad to see it this way. His dad might think something like 'Well if I can't drive whats the use. If I get hurt so be it.' BUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE?