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Old 11-18-2009, 09:00 PM
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Dear Stardustkid,
I want you to go to www.rsdhope.org and go about 8 rectangles down and click on Physical Therapy and you will find all kinds of information to copy and give to your PT personnel. Here is what I got for you so far. You will have to teach them about RSD in a kind and gentle way since they are idiots and I cannot believe they did that to you. And from the first article it seems like you are not the only one who cannot handle cold...87% cannot either! I hope this helps you out. You may want to google cold water treatment for RSD or something like that and make sure you take it to your PT tomorrow.
Thanks and good luck,
kathy d

RSD AND ICE - ICE AND RSD / CRPS
RSD PUZZLE RSD AND ICE

Neurological Associates
H. Hooshmand, M. D., P.A.
RSD Puzzle #102
Ice Versus Heat
In our study of ice versus heat tolerance, 87% of the patients could not tolerate cold. and 13% could not tolerate heat.
The infrared thermal imaging showed that the ones who could not tolerate heat (13 %) had advanced stages of sympathetic nerve paralysis rather than nerve irritation (death of the sympathetic nerve fibers rather than hyperactive nerve fibers). The area of permanent sympathetic nerve damage in late stage acted like a leaky radiator, causing leakage of heat through the skin which resulted in warm extremity and secondary intolerance to external heat.
Meaning that due to permanent damage to the sympathetic nerve fibers( after repeated ganglion nerve blocks or sympathectomy) the sympathetic nerves could not contain and preserve the heat originating from the deep structures of muscle, bone, etc...
This minority of 13% of the patients did not have the hyperactive cold vasoconstriction of the skin seen in earlier stages of RSD. These heat intolerant patients would be classified as erythromelalgia, rather than the 87% RSD patients who have hyperactive sympathetic function with cold extremity and intolerance of cold exposure.
On the other hand repetitive application of ice freezes and coagulates the myelin (fatty tissue insulating large nerve fibers) exactly like ice freezes and solidifies melted butter. As the ice freezes the large nerve fibers, causing freeze damage to the myelinated nerves, the patient develops sensory loss and pain due to permanent damage to the large sensory nerve fibers. This aggravates the RSD by adding sensory nerve pain of non-sympathetic origin to the initial thermal sensory pain of sympathetic origin.
As a result, Ice provides total anesthesia and relief of pain for several minute the same way as the hand becomes numb being exposed to snowballs in the winter. However, a few hours after the cessation of ice exposure, the pain recurs with vengeance due to reactive enlargement of blood vessels after the constriction of blood vessels due to exposure to ice.
This phenomenon causes excellent relief of pain with ice treatment followed by not only aggravation of pain, but damage to the nerve fibers adding sympathetic independent pain (SIP) to the original sympathetic mediated pain (SMP).
The end result is aggravation of the RSD and SIP resulting in failure of nerve blocks and then the patient is told, "You do not have RSD anymore because the nerve block did not help you and the phentolamine test proved that you do not have SMP or RSD".
In most RSD patients ice makes the condition worse and can cause denial of diagnosis and treatment for the patient.
One last comment: this study was on advanced cases of RSD. In early stages of RSD, without exposure to ice, there is far lower percentage of RSD patients who from the beginning suffer from permanent damage to large areas of sympathetic nerve fibers with intolerance of heat and secondary erythromelalgia.
It becomes obvious that heat-cold challenge physical therapy is nonsensical because it end result is one temperature extreme neutralizing the other and ice challenge further damaging nerve fibers.
Please stay away from any ice exposure, even if you can not tolerate heat.
H.Hooshmand, MD.

SEE ALSO RSD AND ICE ARTICLES

http://www.rsdhope.org/ShowPage.asp?...1&PGCT_ID=3376
11/18/09


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CRPS /RSD Facts
CRPS/RSDS AND ICE - CRPS AND ICE


CRPS/RSDS PATIENTS SHOULD NOT BE TREATED WITH ICE. NOT EVER!
NOT ICE, NOT HOLD/COLD THERAPY, NOT HOT/COLD CONTRAST THERAPY, NOTHING DEALING WITH ICE AND THE AFFECTED RSD AREA.
NEVER.
EVER.
IT CAN MAKE THE CRPS/RSDS WORSEN AND/OR SPREAD. IT CAN ACCELERATE THE PATIENT THROUGH THE STAGES.
THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO KNOW AND TO SHARE WITH YOUR PHYSICAL THERAPIST.
Ice will only cause the blood vessels to constrict more, reducing the blood flow to the extremities and increasing the pain. It can damage the nerve's myelin sheath (the protective cover basically for the nerve).
Patients can actually have their CRPS/RSDS go into the next stage from repeated application of ice packs.
Please let your Physical Therapist know this, for your sake and others.
For the medical reasoning behind this, please follow this link for one of the better explanations;
ICE AND RSD ARTICLE
ICE AND RSD
ICE AND RSD NUMBER TWO

Most Doctors and Physical therapists have caught up to the current understanding about CRPS/RSD and ice but there still are pockets or resistance.


http://www.rsdhope.org/ShowPage.asp?...8&PGCT_ID=1775
11/18/09








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Originally Posted by stardustkid View Post
hello everyone,

I had my first session in PT today and it was a contrast bath. Just saying the words brings tears to my eyes. I have RSD in my right foot. I have a great team of Doctors, been getting nerve blocks, injections in the foot, and now PT but I must say, today was awful. Maybe I am just a baby? I feel so ashamed that I cried like I did but it hurt so badly putting my foot into cold water. My PT therapist kinda looked at me like I had three heads. Is it normal to hurt this bad? It took my breath away, He kept yelling at me to breath but I just couldn't. He gave me 5 seconds to put my whole foot in and I screamed out, I didn't mean to, it just came out. I couldn't keep it in for the full minute. He kept his hand over my knee the second time and held my foot there for the full minute and I wanted to die.

I am not on any pain meds, nothing has worked for me. I am now is so much pain after PT. I am at a loss, I have to go back tomorrow and do it again and the thoughts make me sick. He wants me to do this at home and I just don't think I can do it. Do they really help?? The pain is worth it?? I will do anything, even this if it really does help. Please , tell me this is worth it? Am what I am going through normal or is there something else going on?

Thank you for you help.

stardustkid
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