Lisa -

Thanks for bringing me back to the thing at hand. What I suspect the true dirty dogs really want is that everyone should be able to consistantly separate ourselves from at times blinding pain for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and return to the mill, even though they never popped for any high end interventions when it would have made a difference.

That it's a feat worthy of a Buddhist master is entirely beside the point.

Mike