i have been reading the new posts in this thread as my carpets are being cleaned, with a little space in the corner of the couch, which is in the dining area, to sit upon. Hard to think in the spiritual mode.

Moondaughter, your posts have lifted my spirit. i have met lindy and she is a warm, calm, centered person who has seen suffering and has suffered herself. We all suffer. I liked your evolutionary idea because it combines science and the spirit. When patients speak to doctors and the FDA about sham surgery causing psychological trauma, the audience just sits there and looks at them.

How can you measure the human spirit? Yet all populations have it and i don't think science is going to do it without factoring in the patient inner self.

We all have our own spirit, but when combined, create synergy. it's about synergy and balance. Everything is becoming out of balance, and humans cannot withstand it.

IMHO