this is philosophy, an ideology, not fact.

i am curious about and open to different ideologies, as many here are. often even if one does not "subscribe" one can glean useful information, or skills. such curiousity is unfortunately dampened when someone starts presenting their beliefs as facts.

please remember these forums are for support, not ideological evangelism - of any kind. it would be nice if, bearing this in mind, you could indicate at very least the origin (book, person) of your ideas. if possible, you might specify sources by indicating specific books or linking articles.

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In the DSM "thought disorder" (sometimes stated as "disordered thought") is a term used to describe severe symptoms prevalent in, but not limited to, psychotic or pre-psychotic states. psychosis is defined as being completely out of touch with reality.

neither thought disorder, as defined in the DSM, nor psychosis are necessarily present in a bipolar episode at all.

just so you know where we are coming from.

i would love to be a fly on the wall if you wanted to explain to my doctor that the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual is completely WRONG, and that the terms used in it are nonsensical... you could start by explaining to him as you have here what "thought disorder" is and its role in "mental illness." from there it's a short hop to modern medicine being a total wash and calling him a quack. you would definitely be asked for a source. he is a nice guy so he wouldn't throw you out of the office before giving you a chance at least to provide references regarding your beliefs about illness.

~ waves ~