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Old 09-19-2011, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JesseJutkowitz View Post
I do not understand your statement:

"I'm having trouble accepting your critique of Static Back for various reasons"

In light of your statement:

"I won't deny that the floor flattens my thoracic spine for a short period of time, but there are lots of exercises that put your body in a non-natural position for a short time. Examples include Brugger relief pose, sternal positional Swiss ball release, all yoga poses (hehe), pull ups, etc. You would never do any of those for very long. You could analyze the details of any of them and say "well that's not natural" and "it stresses parts of your body".

which exactly makes the same point.
No, it makes the additional point that plenty of exercises could be said to put some kind of unnatural stress on the body, but I don't see people saying "yoga is bad for you", "don't do pull ups", etc. One of the those, the sternal positional Swiss ball release, was used as part of a successful rehab for a TOS patient. Maybe I didn't spell that out, but I thought it was obvious, at least with the statement that went with it, which you've snapped off:

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Originally Posted by JesseJutkowitz View Post
As for this:

Is that not true for most exercises?"

the answer is many but I do not know about "most". However, what is the point of the question?
Well it went with the above. I don't know why you broke this off and treated it separately from the statements that preceded it. Let me try that:

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Originally Posted by JesseJutkowitz View Post
You then make these two statements:

"I feel my spine elongate when I do static back for 10 mins. I have to make an adjustment part way through as a result."

"I've been getting good results regardless of this or that explanation."
I sure did.

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Which indicates you are still having problems though you feel they are getting better.
Correct, my problems are getting better week over week.

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I completely understand and that situation is covered by my previous statement:

"It might feel good for some because it will temporarily reduce the amount of mechanical stress on one area by worsening the condition and forcing the stress to some other area. This gives the apparentcy an improvement however, it is not an improvement just a change and almost always for the worse. The end result will either be a return to the previous configuration with its attendant symptoms and or pains or a change to something worse mechanically which may result in immediate or later symptoms that are different."
Not covered. (a) My changes have not been for the worse. (b) Egoscue's book has 4.5 starts out of 5 from 278 reviews or a 3rd party web site (Amazon) with people saying things like "Our entire family has benefitted from this book and the stretching/relaxing muscle techniques..." I find it improbable that static back, in combination with the other exercises, are not helping people, or are making them worse.

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Originally Posted by JesseJutkowitz View Post
That statement notes the uncomfortableness you note that you have to adjust your position to handle, as well as the temporary relief you note as the body is shifted to a different position and the mechanical stress is changed to elsewhere, as well as the return of the symptoms as the body again shifts to the previous position as it tries to reestablish the compensation for the original problem.
What? As my spine elongates, I need to spread out on the floor. It's a good thing.

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People often have a problem with my statement that if a correction is made, a true correction of body mechanics is made, the problems and its symptoms just disappear and do not need constant re treatment or handling because they do not usually experience that.
Maybe ABC is that powerful, I haven't said that it wasn't. But it's hard to verify as none of our trusted members have tried it.

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They most often experience the changes you noted in your post and evaluate that as improvement rather than just temporary change.
At least for me, it has been improvement although you seem insistent that it's not. Really, I don't even know to respond to someone who basically says "you feel you're getting better, but you're not."

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With Advanced BioStructural Correction™ a particular symptom will often continue until the problem the is at the basis of that symptom is handled and then it just disappears.
How do we know?
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