That's wonderful to hear about the positive reaction you're having from adding acetyl l-carnatine, Conductor 71 and the ginseng sounds good too. We know so little. Dr. Alberts has tried the elliptical and other forms of exercise to try to get the cycling results, but it seems that churning the legs at the high rpm is what does the trick. People can't do it for long if they are weight bearing, hence the cycling. Soccertese, I agree with you about the ultimate goal being to figure out why this works and then how to replicate it so everyone can use it. In the meantime, I am thankful something as positive as cycling is working for so many. I hope I can meet you on the 17th in Puyallup.