I just wanted to add something to this thread. I have been counciled that when pain exceeds a persons coping skills, thats when some bad thoughts can happen. I got the council, and I have turned to a more spiritual existance. We are made of energy, and energy does not die, it goes on. We are also a mind body connection. They rule together. I meditate, and read alot. Reading helps me to focus on better things. I am not depression free, but my existance is much better. I hope all of you can find those coping things that you can do to remove any negative thoughts. Be at peace and I wish all of you a good and healthy season. ginnie