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Old 01-03-2012, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho View Post
wakey,

You just proved my point.
**Needless to say, we have different definitions of "proof." Religious people often do not understand the concept.

Your denial of my explanation shows your inability to understand the power of prayer.

**If arguing against an explanation is proof of the explanation, there is no possible way to refute the explanation. Such things exist only in the form of conspiracy theories, where evidence against a theory is counted in its favor.

Anxiety is a combination of physiological events and emotional and thought events. Medicine alone cannot resolve anxiety. Spiritual strength can enhance emotional strength.
**This in an empirical claim. There is no evidence for it.

It sounds like your experience is with the charlatan 'faith healer' and 'pray it away' self proclaimed 'minister.' I can understand how such an experience can challenge one's ability to relate to a believer's comments. I am sorry if you have had such an experience. Religious leaders of all varieties can be both helpful and damaging. I have seen both sides.
**I never would dream of going to a faith healer. Faith healers are charlatans because there pray on people's faith and emotions and cannot deliver. There is absolutely no shred of evidence supporting their efficacy. Anecdotal accounts are notoriously unreliable and are not subject to verification. All attempts at studying these people show they do nothing but steal people's money at the expense of their hope.

I understand what people are trying to do and what they think they are doing. I have (prior) personal experience in the matter, just like you. I think the exercise itself can be useful, but the method for doing it often presupposes a grandiosity that it simply does not require and does not exist.

**My personal experience relates to being raised in a particular religion.
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My position still stands. There is valid help available to believer's through spiritual counseling. Since anxiety can be such a large part of PCS, believer's should be willing to consider the value of spiritual counseling to strengthen their understanding of anxiety.
**I do not see how this follows at all.
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