You and your comments are appreciated. I also have this pain issue, and sometimes I have to "ouch" loudly. It doesn't matter where I am at, it hurts! My family around me just ignors it, or someone comments I just like to be vocal. NOOOOOOOOO. it hurts! Try hitting your thumb with a hammer, and just quietly saying ouch, Most of us would be jumping up and down cussing! I am glad we have this site where we can be understood with this kind of pain. I have great empathy for all of us who hurt. ginnie