thanks for the link. i had checked a few sites this morning but everything was worded vaguely in the symptom department. weakness, atrophy etc.

ive had 8 emg/ncs's over the years. no family history at all. we had one big family reunion a few years ago and I was going around to everyone, hey do you know anyone in the family who had any of these symptoms....ha!

i have the toes dont flex much at all thing also.

i guess all of these causes have many symptoms that overlap since they are doing basically the same type of damage to the same parts of the nerve as other causes. What caught my attention was the walking with cement legs comment. I describe it as my legs becoming as heavy as tree trunks to lift and they super fatigue quicly. I have not really run into or read too many people with PN having that symptom over the years. A few did but most dont. And like i said that was my earliest symptom besides some numbness.

Thanks susanne and Kitt for taking the time to answer.