Nice to have you on Neruo Talk. I think I would like to learn both your skills, always admired the Harlem Globe Trotters, and all the manuvers they do. Saw them once many years ago. Pain control with the mind is another good thing to learn. Oh for a handle on that! I don't think there is anyone on NT who is in pain, that would not want to learn more control. I am going at some point for hypnosis. I heard that is something to give an effort for as well. Years ago, I tried that too, I was unable to be in that state for whatever reason. Also was in an audience, where everyone was "put under" and I didn't get it. I pray alot, and I can tell you do too. Welcome to NT, we all pray for each other here. ginnie