Thanks everyone, I do tend to agree with you all, he needs to make the first move and rock bottom is probably where he is heading.

His Mum asked me to promise to give him all the support he needs to keep going but paying rent, bringing him food only increases his disposable income which is spent on the falling down water.

Even his bed is in bits and he just collapses into it each night.

I am going to talk to a local charity N.I.C.A.S. and see if they can meet him should he agree but and there is always a "BUT" it will be his choice at the end of the day.

My own health isn't great and the knock on effect on everyones lives is horrendous. Then he plays the suicide card when things start to get really bad. He hasn't attempted anything yet but it does make us all on edge.

Again thanks for the thoughts.