Hi Strongman--I know but I really think you took Dubious post the wrong way. Dubious was a chiropractor for several years at least over 25yrs or more---before becoming a patient and had failed spine surgery-- and now can no longer work over it. So---i have read several of dubious post and is always coming from a clinical point of view is all. Never meant to be insulting Im sure of that --just wanted to let you know my real thoughts!!