Hi everyone
I've had to do some edits as per our guidelines. Members can disagree agreeably without making any sarcastic or personally negative remarks about or to each other.

We realize that emotions can run high on this kind of topic, but please do not let that spill over into personal negative remarks to other members.

Please also note that when a post is edited and others have quoted it, then their posts get edited too to remove the edited quote or references to it

thanks