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Old 07-14-2013, 06:16 PM
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Pdne,

Thank you for going into such a detailed explanation about this tooth situation. For me, the picture is very clear and here is why.

At the onset of the pain in your cheek, the xray showed that the tooth was having a problem. Because you did not complain of tooth pain, you couldn't get a dentist to admit the tooth was infected. <Keep in mind how I have told you how evasive dentists can be if the patient is not complaining about tooth pain.> This tooth could have been dying from having a previously deep filling in it and/or because it was fractured and/or as a result of your clenching/grinding habit the nerve became traumatized and died from the constant banging against it. All of these things are contributing factors to why a tooth becomes infected in the first place. One or more than one of them can be present. However, it only takes one of them to kill a tooth :/

So dentists were not of any help other than making you a night guard which temporarily helped BECAUSE it took the pressure off of this ailing tooth. It didn't make it healthy again because the nerve was too far gone. ENT's and others were not helping because they were finding you to be healthy. The one ENT saw a minor flaw and figured why not... let's fix it and see what happens. Grasping for answers you went along with him. But low and behold your problem was still apparent... why?... because it was a tooth problem all along.

Yes, the oral surgeon will be able to check the health of the bone and the sinus. But do NOT assume this will automatically be done. If you've read through some ..many... of these posts you will see repetitively how people report back saying their OS did not do a thorough surgery when extracting their tooth. I know, stupid.... unbelievable.... I know.... I know.

So here is where your self advocacy comes in to play... You have to be the one to express to him that you want to be sure he removes the periodontal ligament and all necrotic bone and tissue as you want a thorough debridement done once the tooth is removed. You are also concerned about a possible sinus communication so you want to be informed after the surgery if there is one, how large it is and if he had to repair it. You also want to be informed after the tooth is removed the health status of the sinus and if infected does it need intervention. Tell him you are considering a dental implant in the future if the area is healthy enough to place one. He may discuss bone grafting with you. Ask him if the site is infected or there is sinus involvement, would he still place the graft?? This is a judgement call for the OS and he will only know the real answer after he debrides the bone. But it is still good to discuss with him prior.

Most of my years in dentistry have been perio and oral surgery. I always get a kick out of an informed patient and appreciate their diligence in researching this stuff!! Some oral surgeons will take "slight" offense to a patient being so well informed.... others get their ego bruised a bit because they want you to assume they are great at what they do .... and others will say hey this is an informed patient who cares about his healthy, I'd better do a good job!

This is a tough situation for anyone to be in. The pain you have may not go away completely right away or it may linger forever. It has to do with the longevity of the infection and where it has resided all of these years. Sometimes there is permanent irritation to the facial nerves from being inflamed for so long. This is why I am not an advocate of root canal therapy even in a temporary situation because it can be difficult to eradicate the aftermath. But I also want you to know that many people seem to do really well and go on to be okay!!! So please think positively and take very good care of yourself

Bryanna



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Originally Posted by pdne View Post
<<WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK COULD BE CAUSING THIS LONG TERM PAIN?>>

I wish I knew but I've had so many claims over the years that I'm cynical these days. It wasn't just the septoplasty...I saw a dentist and he said it was probably the tooth and so I did the root canal and still had the pain afterwards. At the time, I concluded that the tooth wasn't the problem since I just had the root canal and my tooth didn't hurt and I believe the x-rays were clean. A TMJ specialist said the pain could be muscular in nature and probably due to clenching at night, so I had a night-guard done. Strangely enough, I found some relief from wearing the night guard but no idea how that would alleviate the infection, unless of course I was clenching and also infected at the same time.

<<HAVE YOU HAD AN MRI OF YOUR SKULL TO RULE OUT A TUMOR?>>
Yes, I had a MRI done twice many years ago when this first started happening. They both were negative.

<< WHEN YOU HAD THE DEVIATED SEPTUM DONE, DID YOU HAVE A SCAN DONE THEN?>>
Yes, I really felt I was misled at the time into getting the septoplasty because I was grasping for a solution. I had a scan done and the septum was slightly deviated. But since I was complaining about "pain", I guess the doctor felt compelled to provide an answer and I was willing to try it if it meant being pain-free. The scan didn't show anything else at the time.


<<YOU SAID YOU HAD PAIN AND THEN THE RC DONE. COULD HAVE BEEN THAT THIS TOOTH WAS INFECTED AND THE ONLY SYMPTOM YOU HAD WAS PAIN UNDER YOUR CHEEK. WHY DID HE DO THE RC AT THAT TIME?>>
Yes, when the pain started, I had no idea it was tooth-related. I went to an ENT first, actually multiple ENTs, and no one saw anything until the septoplasty guy. After the septoplasty, I was still having pain and I was constantly searching for answers. I went to a neurologist who said negative on nerve pain etc. Like I said earlier, I went to multiple dentists, some who said it was clenching and others just said they didn't see anything. Since it was so long ago, I can't remember exactly but when I did the RC, I believe it was during a regular dental examination and the infection showed up on the x-ray. That was when I was hoping the RC was the cause of the problem. However, it still persisted afterwards and at the time, after chasing so many dead-ends, I assumed the RC was another one.

If I had known the things you were mentioning now about the inaccessible canals and draining to the sinus, I would have been more persistent regarding the infected tooth scenario.

Will the oral surgeon be able to check the bone and sinuses for infection? Or do I need to see another doctor for that first? Appreciate any guidance on how to proceed next. Thank for your help. I've made up my mind to cancel the second root canal and get this tooth extracted.
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