Kiwi, in case you had not realized I'm not a great fan of the scientific and medical worlds. They are forever changing and missing so much that other therapies from other avenues of medicine help us. I've been harmed by big pharma drugs and so do all within my power to avoid them. Take them with caution when necessary, like BP meds and thyroid med (which btw I've been able to reduce in half since on the HGH gel) yep...

Reduced in half Ibuprofen I have been taking for chronic OA and joint pain issues. This is BIG in my life.

I've read so many posts here at NT and some of the harm from drugs people have and are taking. There are alternatives to just about EVERY medicine out there...I've done years of work on this issue.

So we'll just agree to disagree on what we trust. Thanks. C