Hi all, my life is in an uproar once again. As far as the man I met, it won't work out, I am too outgoing and he is the opposite. Seems he doesn't want me to have fun with my friends. I can't do that.

I had to call 911 for my mom again, then the police came and said if I call 911 again for my mom they will arrest me!!!! The police said if I can't take care of my mom as I am supposed to as a caretaker, then get help and call this place on aging to put her someplace. I tried to explain her balance issue and falling due to her Parkinsons when she tries to get up and go the bathroom or even use the commode I have in her room now, I cannot lift her. She had hit her head in the bathroom and was vomiting. He wasn't nice and didn't want to hear it. Yet the hospital told me when she was there last time to ALWAYS call 911.

So God forbid if she has another stroke or heart attack or seizure.

My husband has a court date on Monday for revocation of probation, even though the court date for his violation isn't until Feb 5th. So, it makes no sense to me. I didn't get a notification in the mail as I usually due from witness protection, so I don't think this has to do with me. Something must of happened, I don't know. I am not going on Monday.

I can get everything off the computer, it is updated quickly.

Anyway, I hope things are going good for everyone. Have a great weekend, enjoy.

Hugs, Nikko

Oh nikko,
I wonder if the fire department might be a better place to call for when your mom falls...wonder about that.
Keep calling 911 when you need to...I can't believe they said they would arrest you....
awful!
YOu take care and hope your weather is nicer there than here...

((((HUGS))))
bizi

Honey I am so sorry you experianced this. I had the same thing happen when my daughter was charged, when she called for her own medical assist, they told me to control her or I would be charged next time. She called ambulance and ems the last week during her break down, She called and said that the raods were icy in front of her house. The police responded to her home and called me to come there, they told me and her if she calls 911 again she will be arrested!

This is just some thoughts I am still mullling around and trying to iron out....

I am preparing a Protocol plan. It will be a protacol that will be set and approved by her case worker..you may want to contact the beura of aging for your Mom, just to add power to your decisions....

List all medications
List diabilities
List doctors medical facilities.
Then a list of what incidents require ambulance dispatch
:ie) community assist or medical emergency.
also if there is a non emergency no to contact for a community assist call.

I will be secondary contact number for my daughter. Unless 911 feels there is urgent crisis; I would prefer they will contact me to do a welfare check.

With the assist of all participants in my daughters medical care looking over my plan, I will list when non emergency contact no's, Also her casewroker no's.

When a call is given to 911 by her; from the protocol it can be assigned a risk level.
Is it a medical emergency,
criminal emergency.
also a level of crisis 1-4, 4 being the highest.
I will take this to the police department, mail a copy to the 911 management.
Then they can't say they will arrest anyone, because they have a second contact, they have a caseworker, they ahve a non emergency no. that patient can use, and support agencys can be the clout!

You may want to Document your own disabilities and rstrictions.
medications-doctors-treating facility.

Nikko, they violation of probation is a seperate hearing, a criminal procedure, but different jurisdiction. The PO oficer proscutes, he has to present a case to the elements being reached to breach conditons and vioated. Just becasue violated is auto reincarceration in our court, there is a burden to be met. Unless conditional....they are easy, like had alcohol, contacted a victim, they walk in throwing mercy to court.

The ICC, In contempt criminal violation is another judge, another courtroom, another date and burden.......And if there were summary offenses like harassment, stalking, that in our area can even be another courtroom at magistraite level.

System is a world of its own....
You can do it call, grow ba!!$
di
PS
Nikko,
I have aproblem, I need to grow mine back....my stalker harasser is doing it again. In all cases I had to power to use my camera phone, I fled, again I could ahve used my camera phone when he pinned me in my driveway on TUesday and RAMMED his truck to move him out of my way and have police evidance, I had fright and flight, I drove over my yard and got away form him..In my police days, I would have gotten out, held the gun point on him and had 911 dispatched holding him there until they arrived....If he is coming at me with his truck like he did Tuesday. Last Saturday he followed me from my driveway, to a few stops, why didn't I calll PD, last time they told me get thicker skin......


I am gutless and can't get myself to react like I would if it was a stranger in need.....

Nikko, when the hospital said to always call 911, they did not mean for you to ask for the police. Tell the dispatcher that you need a medical responder because your mother has fallen. If when they get there, they want to take her to the ER, let them take her.

But believe me, if they smell alcohol on her breath, they will not be impressed.

And frankly, the officer is 100% correct. It is a waste of taxpayer money to expect medical responders and law enforcement to make up for the fact that you do not employ someone to stay with her for these situation or make permanent alternative arrangements for her. One of these times when she hits her head, she may suffer an intracranial bleed. Vomiting is a sure sign of a significant concussion. You really needed to get her to the ER.

This is becoming a public social problem and an officer or medical employee may end up calling in adult protective services to aid in getting her adequate care.

Teri

You have made so much progress in planning in working with her case worker to help your daughter. If she gets arrested, despite your best efforts, don't panic and bail her out immediately. Let her spend a night or two. She may be mentally ill, but she is still capable of controlling herself - more than you might realize. She has just seldom or never be forced to confront consequences. She feels entitled to act out. Now, if I have missed hearing that she is schizophrenic, I apologize for what I just said. Unmedicated Schizophrenics can't be held responsible.

This is more common in women than you might expect. It is as if we are programmed to help others to the point of deserting our own life, neglecting our health and giving an Academy Award winning performance of the film adaptation of "THE DOOR MAT." It is something that has to be seriously addressed, for by being this way, we enable others to be THEIR WAY. To their detriment as well as ours.

Love & Hugs,
Teri

terri,
IN our jurisdiction, when an medical emergency call goes ou,t PD are dispatched. Depending on the nature some officers and their department proceduree will say advise if needed to assist. They will not respond.

However, our department are first responders. You never get all the information or even correct information. Like a man that called that his roomate won;t wake up...they were deceased for three days before he called. PD were on the scene forst. IF it is a heart attack, we are rual and have the wquipment to save their life.

If an ambulance call went out and PD did not respond and the person died, there could be liability, we did not need or desire.
THe problem with people being arrested is in every state you have to have mens rea , mental culpability to be held responsable for a crime.

Police get mad because they had to put their donut down and go out in the cold and get out of the car to check the welfare or help lift a woman to a bed......Shame on them. Not literally, but believe me, there is a lot of just patrol time and paper work, not every second is a crisis, and they are paid to protect and serve.

I did have a none emergency number that my residents could call for none emergencies, community assist, not that they needed a police officer to respond, ambulance personal in our town have a list of disabled and citizens we will get calls someties once a week to get them in a wheel cahir or bed from the floor. BUT, they must if a second call comes really be checked out at a medical facility for a problem, they could be having a stroke.

It would take me a few minutes, and unless you are in a very large city no officer is busy with emergency calls every minute of the shift.
I took cats from trees, rescued shoes from a lake, located missing christmas decoration that kids pranked with, got flashlight Anny to stop throwing rocks at cars...I could of said not my job, I am too busy being a cop....

The litttle things are what great cops are made of.
They are getting uppity to say they have other prority's going on. IF they did, they wouldn;t be there, an ambulance would. A screen typically comes up with prior domestic calls, weapons, PFA etc.
Ambulance protocol sometimes have PD respond if a PFA is listed there.

I specifically request 911 to not to send PD, it only escalates the situation. Its a shame, because a transport for safety by PD for someone in crisis is better then taking one of our ambulance units out of service.

Nikko, ther has to be respite support services for you. I had help for Dad, but when he fell and i could not get him up, with my disabilities I cried, but his brother and my husband took it out of my hands saying I did more then anyone could expect, now he needed more and they feel better for him to go to the ER and hospice/nursing care. He had colon cancer.

The deciding point was I was alone with him all day, even getting under his tummy and trying to fork lift him up, I could not demonstrate to them I could lift him without injuring us both. Dad went in an ambulance.

Follow your heart and head. No one will say you didn;t do all you could if it is out of your hands and you decide that in-care is better for you both. I am sure it would be different if you both wee healthy, even if you were healthy.
Hugs to you
Di

Thanks everyone. The thing here is no matter what the Fire department comes first, if they feel they need a rescue then they call one.

Where the police come from I don't know, but they come a bit after the Fire Department, they actually made me go outside to talk to them, of course by then I was in tears.

I wonder if I really had to call, I could call a private ambulance company.

I am just drained once again. I need to re-read all of this and do some thinking too.

I will write more later. Thanks again, I know you all are going through things of your own, I am just not in any shape to respond, but I will.

Hugs, Nikko

I hope you all Have a good weekend....
nikko, Perhaps you could call your local fire station and see if they would come out...ask them what you should do.
jsut a thought....
here in louisiana they have an ambulance service that people pay a monthly fee to be a part of it. There is a locked box (like for realtors) to have spare keys to open the house when it needs to be opened....I think it may also have to do with the medic alert system...
"I have fallen and can't get up.... etc...." anyway the dispatcher would have the code to unlock the box and assist the victim....
Maybe there is something like that for you folks....
that must have been very upsetting to hear all of that...
I am sorry
(((HUGS)))
bizi

Hi Bizi,
My mom did have that medic alert system when she lived alone for a short time, first they would call me, then I would decide if I could help or needed assistance.

Since we live together, I don't think it would do much good. If I am out, she has my cell phone number.

I am just at a loss here. I have my p-doc on Monday. Mom has physical therapy on Tuesday.

My husband has court on Monday, I am not going.

I am getting real depressed again.

Hugs, Nikko

Nikko,

In my area we of course have 911, but in the phone book we have a list of other numbers - regular phone numbers - for people to be able to contact the ambulance directly, the fire departemnt directly, and the main number for the police (the non-emergency number).

In my area, when anyone uses 911, the police always come along with the ambulance or fire truck.... but if the person calls the regular phone number for the fire or ambulance crew then the police do not come.

The "regular" phone numbers are called "non-emergency" numbers, but when you call them they go directly to the dispatcher for that particulat service (fire, ambulance, or police) so the person is able to get emergency services without having to call 911.

Does your area have these regular phone numbers for the ambulance service or for the paramedics?? Could you keep these regular numbers right by your phone or programmed into your phone and call them instead of 911??

Take care of yourself,
Liz