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waves 05-01-2013 09:17 AM

will check if i made arithmetic/unit typos? also re: receiving oil supps via mail...
 
yes i did the arithmetic - 500 mg means 30 pills to get 15 g... ;) hmmm... did i have a typo somewhere? hmmm i will check, since you are pointing out the conversion?

that's great they aren't fishy. i think mine were by "Mar-Vit" ? not sure if that is sold in the US. i wonder if you can find that brand in a health store near you somewhere. stores that deal in those products should have a transportation process in place that guarantees the integrity of the product. why do i say this...

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/im...cons/icon4.gif i would be very cautious about buying any sort of supplement online or any way that involves shipping. i would especially avoid having oil-based supplements shipped to me because during travel shipments may end up held in areas (units, compartments) with very high temps. those oils are susceptible to chemical changes that happen very quickly with heat exposure.

if oil becomes rancid, not only would its ingestion not be beneficial, but it would actually be harmful. since they are in capsules you would not know if they are rancid. and if they are "off" but not rancid yet, you would not know even if you opened them and tasted it.

Mari 05-01-2013 09:44 AM

15 capsules --- not 30
 
Waves,

I did not take the Strattera as the starter pack has me bumping up to high doses too fast. And, as one of the side effects is drowsiness, I decided it would not be useful right now.
I walked in asking for Ritalin. She said she never wrote a script for Ritalin but had for Adderall.
I said that Adderall would be good. Then she started talking about Provigil and Nuvigil and I ended up with Strattera ???!!!!!!.

All I wanted was some Ritalin!!!! And she had agreed to ritalin in the appt before.? :(


This is the fish oil I can buy locally:
http://www.evitamins.com/fish-oil-1000-mg-spectrum-7710

The past four days I have been taking three pills (3 grams).

I am not comfortable buying supplements on-line during the warm months when stuff shows up to my place after it has been baking in the sun. I might buy some Omega Brite as soon as I can get a chance now that it is still early May.

http://www.omegabrite.com/products/gelcaps.html
Quote:

OmegaBrite has a specific 7:1 EPA to DHA ratio. Only OmegaBrite provides you with 70% EPA (eicosapentanoic acid), nature's anti-inflammatory nutrient that is essential for health.
It is a lot of work to stay alive right now.
I am doing the best I can.

Mari

Mari 05-01-2013 11:16 AM

having a hard time
 
I am worn out physically and emotionally.

Working is hard with barely any sleep.

Each day feels harder.

Mari

bizi 05-01-2013 01:36 PM

Wow mari that is great with the high levels of epa! that is awesome.

I am sorry you are having to try to function on little sleep.
Can't imagine how difficult that must be for you.
(((((HUGS)))))
bizi

bizi 05-01-2013 04:15 PM

Quote:

One OmegaBriteŽ 500mg softgel capsule supplies you with 350mg of EPA and 50mg of DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). Many healthcare professionals recommend this 7:1 ratio
I would ask her to be specific in how much EPA she wants you to take, that way you can then decide what kind and brand that you want to buy. It is not the number of pills that matters it is the amount of EPA that she is suggesting that you ingest. For example my nordic naturals has 425mg EPA in each pill.
bizi

waves 05-01-2013 07:17 PM

EPA and DHA serve different purposes, but both are beneficial
 
well i would not jump the gun on the EPA being the only relevant thing here. we do not know why the doc suggested the fish oil. as i see it, it would be good to ask the doc her reason for suggesting the fish oil, to find out whether EPA intake all she is after and/or to discuss what a suitable ratio of EPA to DHA would be, for her purposes.

because it's not like DHA is junk. while DHA and EPA have some common properties, each offers distinct benefits that the other does not.

the following article suggests that if one takes a lot of DHA they should supplement with GLA as well. however the ratio of the two would depend on what your goal is.

link: What Are the Real Differences Between EPA and DHA?

To reduce cellular inflammation, you need more EPA than DHA.
Published on April 1, 2012 by Barry Sears, Ph.D. in In the Zone


the article goes on to explains the distinct benefits of EPA and DHA. EPA is strongly anti-inflammatory at a cellular level. the article emphasizes that if one seeks an anti-inflammatory effect, then EPA is the relevant oil. However, DHA is important in making membranes more fluid. both are important at a neurological level.

Quote:


Summary

EPA and DHA do different things, so you need them both, especially for the brain. If your goal is reducing cellular inflammation, then you probably need more EPA than DHA. How much more? Probably twice the levels, nonetheless you always cover your bets with omega-3 fatty acids by using both EPA and DHA at the same time.

bizi 05-01-2013 07:28 PM

my pdoc wanted me to take one that has a 4:1 ratio. Omega brite has a 7:1 ratio.
interesting.
bizi

waves 05-01-2013 07:38 PM

better when docs are more specific
 
7:1 might serve better if one is purely after anti-inflammatory benefit. but if one is interested in improved neurological function, a more balanced supplement might be more appropriate. the article suggests a 2:1 ratio even for anti-inflammatory purposes, however i imagine these recommendations on dosages vary... there are likely to be different studies with differing conclusions in these areas.

that's why i think questions need to be asked of the prescribing doc.

Bizi i think it is good that your doc suggested a specific ratio to you. i think that is relevant, and helpful.

waves 05-01-2013 07:44 PM

OT / "Omega Brite" light bulb
 
the name "Omega Brite" conjures up the image of a light bulb for me. Brite makes me think of light. and the greek letter omega is used as a symbol for ohms ... and sounds like "ohm" which is a unit measure of resistance.

the classic incandescent lightbulbs consisted of a tungsten filament which, creating high resistance when current was applied, emitted light.

Mari 05-01-2013 07:52 PM

Waves,

Right. And one needs to remember the GLA.

Fish Oil is available by prescription:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovaza
Quote:

Each 1-gram capsule is 38% DHA, 47% EPA, and 17% other fish oils in the form of the ethyl ester.
Lovaza is named Omacor in Europe (and this name was once used in the US).[2]
Omega Brite (high EPA) was studied for mood disorders.
My mdoc spends 35 mins a visit with me. We go over a lot of ground (most of the time is maybe spent with mini arguments.) It's o.k. that she did not explain everything. I have another appt in 2 months.
I need her mostly for the FMLA paperwork for my job. She is wonderful for that.

Mari


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