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waves 06-25-2014 08:55 PM

24/6 and 25/6 Coffee Log
 

24/6 -- coffee consumption


... 5 cups @ 1 level teaspoon caffeinated

(1 lvl tsp over quota)

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25/6 -- coffee consumption

... 4 cups @ 1 level teaspoon caffeinated

(at quota, for now... considering one now :o, holding out so far)

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I use cinnamon in coffee, most of the time.
I use sugar occasionally (independently of cinnamon use).
So far I haven't observed significant impact of either. The cinnamon, if anything, seems beneficial, but I don't have strong observations.

bizi 06-25-2014 10:04 PM

just got back to our computer at home!!!!!
hello again!
congratulations on the weight loss. That just made my day!
bizi

Mari 06-25-2014 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 1078196)
: I made a version of my veggie "steamfry" today: celery, carrots, bell pepper (usual amount), red onion (half as much as usual), green beans (addition), soy sauce but no spices. A bit of basmati. Possible sx... not the throat clearing, but some mouth burning. Possible coincidence. Timing also close to gabapentin trough level.

Good that this happened away from the Gabapentin so that the information collected today is clear.

I dislike peppers more than other veggies. . . . but would not be able to tell you why. I ask hubby not to cook with them.
I do eat them fresh occasionally.

M

waves 06-25-2014 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 1078223)
Good that this happened away from the Gabapentin so that the information collected today is clear.

No... that's just it. The interpretation of those sx is obfuscated by the fact that the increased burning could be related to a lower gabapentin level (trough is lowest), and not the food.

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I dislike peppers more than other veggies. . . . but would not be able to tell you why. I ask hubby not to cook with them.
I do eat them fresh occasionally.
Tastewise, I prefer mature bell peppers (yellow or red ones). I find these have a much sweeter taste than the green ones, especially cooked. I find the green ones bitter and enjoy them significantly less.

My folks, among other people, have digestive trouble with peppers. When I prep them for everyone, whether cooking or not, I presoak them -- cut to desired size, then soak in saline/salt water for 20-30 mins. Gets out some of the bitter/pungent flavor and increases digestibility.

==> You might find them less horrible, presoaked, if you want to try it. :)

waves

waves 06-25-2014 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bizi (Post 1078211)
just got back to our computer at home!!!!!
hello again!
congratulations on the weight loss. That just made my day!
bizi

Welcome back, Bizi! :hug:

And thank you! :)

waves

Mari 06-25-2014 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 1078227)
No... that's just it. The interpretation of those sx is obfuscated by the fact that the increased burning could be related to a lower gabapentin level (trough is lowest), and not the food.

I know what a trough is -- our farm animals ate from them --- :cool: ;) :cool: ;)
So I guess I messed up.:confused:
When is the optimal Gabapentin time for this food study?
If Gababpentin is near peak, then the information you collect will help you?


Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 1078227)
Tastewise, I prefer mature bell peppers (yellow or red ones). I find these have a much sweeter taste than the green ones, especially cooked. I find the green ones bitter and enjoy them significantly less.Many people, including my folks) have some digestive trouble with peppers.

I also have a feeling (and little more) that the nightshades might be best if they are limited.
I do not mind if he cooks the bell peppers with potatoes and tomatoes together on the same day and then lets me stay away from them for a good week or two. (We often eat separately even when we eat at the same time.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 1078227)
When I prep them for others, I soak them -- cut up to desired level, then soaked in saline/salt water for at 15 mins up to half an hour. Gets out some of the bitter/pungent flavor and increases digestibility. We also soak before adding to salad. You might find them less horrible that way, if you want to try it. :)

Yes, I like the way you prepare them.
You are a good cook.


Mari

waves 06-26-2014 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 1078231)
I know what a trough is -- our farm animals ate from them --- :cool: ;) :cool: ;)

LOLOL...
Hmmmm. :Hum:
In those terms, "eating at a gabapentin trough" adds a whole new layer of complexity to this problem! :p:cool:
Quote:

When is the optimal Gabapentin time for this food study?
If Gababpentin is near peak, then the information you collect will help you?
Yes, eating near peak would be best, but I really can't juggle the gabapentin around food --- too harrd, plus I sometimes eat at off times. I just have to note if a possible (lack of) drug effect can contribute to something.

I was hoping to be better at this being careful thing. Instead, it's almost like I am eating worse! Like tonight, stuffing myself with peanuts... after determining that two beers before dinner, while not terrible, are not the greatest, especially when dinner is soup which sloshes around in there with all that beer. :Doh:

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I also have a feeling (and little more) that the nightshades might be best if they are limited.
Now this is interesting. Based on a personal reaction to them? ... or?

I do suspect they all contain significant fractions of similar, irritating flavonoids (personal observation of some prickliness/pungency to the taste of each, except potato which is the tuber). They are all on the stop/caution list for reflux diets. However the presence of irritants doesn't necessarily imply the presence of toxic nightshade alkaloids such as solanine.

Quote:

Yes, I like the way you prepare them.
You are a good cook.
Thanks... the soaking is my mother's trick, though. If I cook just for me I don't bother (now with this new "thing" I might do so.) We don't soak eggplant but we salt it, let it sit, then squeeze it out... same result. I find chinese eggplant sweeter -- ever tried that?

waves ... now going for my SECOND cup of coffee today (it's only 8 am :rolleyes::o)

Mari 06-26-2014 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 1078240)
LOLOL...
Now this is interesting. Based on a personal reaction to them? ... or?

The "mango" rash last summer was likely an "eggplant" rash according to the acupuncturist .(likely allergy)


Regarding the group: I do not know much. It seems that they can create "issues."
http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/08/t...-protocol.html (do not feel like linking to science sites although I did see similar)
Quote:

Nightshades can be problematic for many people due to their lectin, saponin and/or capsaicin content. They tend to be even more problematic for those with autoimmune disease and of all the foods restricted in the autoimmune protocol, are probably the least likely to be successfully reintroduced, especially tomatoes and chilies.

Quote:

I do suspect they all contain significant fractions of similar, irritating flavonoids (personal observation of some prickliness/pungency to the taste of each, except potato which is the tuber). They are all on the stop/caution list for reflux diets. However the presence of irritants doesn't necessarily imply the presence of toxic nightshade alkaloids such as solanine.
Right. And besides all that, you are doing your own study.


Quote:

Thanks... the soaking is my mother's trick, though. If I cook just for me I don't bother (now with this new "thing" I might do so.) We don't soak eggplant but we salt it, let it sit, then squeeze it out... same result. I find chinese eggplant sweeter -- ever tried that?
Hubby has brought home the chinese eggplant. I forget what it tasted like. They are cute for sure.

Mari

waves 06-26-2014 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 1078244)
The "mango" rash last summer was likely an "eggplant" rash according to the acupuncturist .(likely allergy)

Aaaahhhhhh, yes. Very good reason for suspicion and for preventively limiting intake of the entire family.
Quote:

Right. And besides all that, you are doing your own study.
Yes, but I have a general interest in this stuff. ;):) I really should have been a chem major. :rolleyes:
Quote:

Hubby has brought home the chinese eggplant. I forget what it tasted like. They are cute for sure.
... as the dickens. :D When I was able to get these, I never bougtht he regular ones.... simpler to prepare as no salting/squishing/draining required. :cool:

waves

waves 06-26-2014 07:58 PM

coffee 6/26 and other stuff
 
Coffee:

4 cups @ 4 level tsp for today, Thursday 6/26
. I think. I'm not honestly sure.

I had other crap that I shouldn't have too... no specific observaations to make that I Haven't already and feel too embarrassed to write about it.

My sleep is beyond erratic because I don't know where to put it any more. I try to be up in the day, but then I also end up being up at night... and... yeah. No worky.

I am a mess. I slept through the Vampire Diaries, which is saying something.

I did not go to the ENT with the cat results today because, sigh... oh never mind why it's SOO stupid it's embarrassing.

waves


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