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Old 06-28-2008, 09:30 AM #31
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both? right away?

let me know if you can substitute soy milk. i think i could give up coffee if i could have tea. the warm drink is a comfort.

hubby got the book a few weeks ago. he falls asleep reading. 1 page a night. i think i'll nab it from him.

doing this for a living for so many years has made it hard for me read diet, health and fitenss books for enjoyment. but i'm back on the learn and wrinkle my brain track again. let me know what you think of the book.
There are many nice decaf teas out there now. There is even a decaf version of Constant Comment's hearty breakfast one.(the dark blue box...it is now called Bigelow English Teatime)
Also nice is peppermint tea. I use this alot on vacation when it is cool/damp...it is very warming and nice. (no caffeine), and in the winter.

Of course there are decaf green teas now. I use Salada, which has a light citrus overlay.

I don't drink coffee anymore..it upsets my stomach. Mega upset. I loved it tho when I could, but it often made me very jittery.
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Old 06-28-2008, 09:44 AM #32
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most of the tea i drink is decaf. once in awhile i'll have cup of a full leaded. i love the fruity herbal ones. iced mint teas are wonderful. heck..in texas inthe summer..all ice tea is wonderful.

maybe it's a childhood thing. i love the smell of fresh ground coffee brewing. makes my kitchen smell just like my greatgrandma's in the morning.

i only drink 1 cup of mixed decaf (organic i got at sams) and flavored regular.

i do know that no caffiene would be better.
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Dear Morgy,
There is no meaty part to his book.
His organization is all over the place.
He spends a lot of time on how plant based diets are good for people.
->I like that he provides lots of research and a good index.

He spells out his six week into diet plan in Chapter 8 --especially pp.181-184.

On page 140 he mentions that he was a vegetarian in the early 1970s while he was on the U.S. World FIgure Skating Team. http://www.goldenskate.com/competiti...oam/jaca.shtml -- see 1976 when he came in third in pair skating.
While exercising 5 hours a day, he ate huge amounts of fruits veggies, raw nuts, and whole grains. -- he includes this to demonstrate that he got plenty of protein.


On page 69 he mentions the China-Cornell-Oxford Project:
http://www.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/projects/cecology1989/

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During 1983, in collaboration with the Chinese Academies of Medical Science and of Preventive Medicine (CAMS & CAPM), two rural villages were chosen at random in each of 65 counties, detailed biochemical and dietary studies were made of the middle-aged adults, and the results related to the cause-specific death rates in those counties.

This led to a 1990 monograph [83] that won an award for being the best medical monograph of the decade published in China, and helped guide a number of other studies.

In 1989 the survey was repeated in these villages, along with a detailed survey of the causes of 300,000 deaths in those counties. A preliminary monograph of the 1989 results is available.
(About a year ago I bought the book called "The China Study" that explains the study. Supposedly some parts of this study are flawed. Still, it is an interesting and useful study.)


Chapter 9 has the shopping plan and some recipes.

Page 90 provides of list of calcium dense foods. It turns out that Bok choy, turnip greens, collard greens, kale, and even romaine lettuce are good source of calcium.

At the bottom of page 115 he basically sums up his plan:
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. . . eat as many vegetables, beans, and fresh fruits as possible and less of everything else.



Pages 122-126 talks about good oil and ground flax seed.

Here is his version of the food pyramid: page 187.

I hope that I didn't spoil the book for you.

I'll be interestd to see what you get out of it.

The best way to look at a drastic diet change imo is to first think of it as ADDING foods instead of GIVING UP foods. So I am focused on adding 2 bowls of uncooked veggies to my diet each day. I am not usually successfull, but that is my goal.

Mari

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Hi, All,

Like some of you I have been reading popular diet books since I was in middle school and medical research on food since I was 18 or 19. It's one of my hobbies that I return to every once in while.

Still. I am not an expert.
Also each body on the planet is different and requires unique care that no one book can address. Even most nutritionists do not understand how unique we are.

Also, a drastic change in diet can cause weird things to happen like detox.

The beginning of each diet book I have read mentions that you need to check with your doctor. HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
As a general rule, they stink when it comes to food advice.

Still this would ideally be the right way to go:
-- get a really good work up from a really good MD,
-- then get some really good advice from a really good nutritionist.

What I am saying is forget this book. I only posted to tell you I was trying something new.

I appreciate the words of encouragement and the insight from others. Also, sometimes it is fun to talk about food. Thank you.

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Dear Pamster,

Your talk of exercise and being careful / mindful about diet inspired me.

Aww thanks Mari, you made my day today with this comment. We're still being careful on our diet and working out and walking daily. But not actively juicing much anymore, I bought some chocolate protien powder and we make chocolate shakes out of that with milk in the blender I just got for five bucks at the thrift store.

My sister has a Magic Bullet. (Her husband saw it advertised on TV and decided he wanted one.) When I visited two years ago, I thought it was the coolest thing. It is handier than the juicer that we have. She uses it to make breakfast smoothies for him.
(I just looked up the price! Nevermind.)

I just saw one that was missing a ring for one of the cups on our local freecycle list, I didn't want it though because our juicer is fine, though I admit we've not been using it much, I have gone over two weeks with no juice because the darn thing is a pain to wash up. It's like the honeymoon with it is over. Still I think I will get back to it soon, it's just such great juice. I use a toothbrush to clean the blade thing up. It works okay, but still it's time consuming to wash it off, the rest is easy to clean but the blade, UGH! No fun...

Before I moved into this apt I got rid of a crappy juicer because I wasn't using it and hubby didn't like it. Well, it was difficult to use anyway.
Then about 6 months ago hubby had a kind of hypomanic moment (he gets these -- I don't know how else to describe them) and bought a big juicer at Sams that is too much trouble. He has used it about 5 times. Meanwhile it sits and takes up a lot of space on the counter top.

Ditto, our juicer is just taking up space on the counter now...

I wish that the juicers were self-cleaning, or at least easy to wash via dishwasher. As it is, cutting up the veggies/ fruit already is a hassle.

. . . 'don't know why I am complaining I'm just wishing it were easier to deal with those machines. Maybe you found a way that works and you can share some secrets.


Take care!

Mari

If I find a better way to stick with it I will definitely share tips.
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