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joojee22 02-21-2012 11:19 PM

Horse smell.. LOL.. but hey it works, seriously not joking.

One of the reason behind the top 10% is because they allow sick people to participate in developing the ranges, the ranges are developed not for "healthy" people but for people not dying of disease. Your trying to be healthy.

I realize your adrenals would have a hard time on pain meds.. i have had to increase my hydrocortisone, thanks for the reminder.. argh.. my pooe adrenals have given out , i'd like to get a handle on exactly why?

Dr. Smith 02-22-2012 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by joojee22 (Post 854264)
my pooe adrenals have given out , i'd like to get a handle on exactly why?

Adrenal fatigue (or insufficiency) can be caused by chronic pain, other forms of stress, infection, inflammation, environmental toxins, diet (caffeine, carbohydrates) and other factors - not just opioids. It's often found in people with diabetes and thyroid problems.
Google: adrenal fatigue causes

If you suspect some particular reason/trigger, try googling that with adrenal fatigue, and see if a cause/effect connection turns up in the literature.

Doc

EMPATH64 03-12-2012 01:17 PM

Hello,Im new
 
So sorry to hear of your story.Im 47 female going thru menopause and had dentures put in 7 months ago. Im suffering from Burning mouth syndrome.I feel like Im dying I cant eat its too painful. You have any ideas? Thank so much

bent98 03-12-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EMPATH64 (Post 860337)
So sorry to hear of your story.Im 47 female going thru menopause and had dentures put in 7 months ago. Im suffering from Burning mouth syndrome.I feel like Im dying I cant eat its too painful. You have any ideas? Thank so much

Klonopin in dissolvable form works wonders for BMS, but Klonopin also can become highly addictive and you can build up a tolerance. But living with BMS may be worth taking the drug.
I don’t have BMS myself but I have read a few people with BMS and this was only thing that gave them relief. Remember, its got to be the dissolvable version not the regular pill form.


Dr. Smith 03-13-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by EMPATH64 (Post 860337)
So sorry to hear of your story.Im 47 female going thru menopause and had dentures put in 7 months ago. Im suffering from Burning mouth syndrome.I feel like Im dying I cant eat its too painful. You have any ideas? Thank so much

Are you saying/implying that the BMS is a result of or caused by having had the dentures put in?

I hadn't heard of this condition before, but there seems to be quite a bit of information on the web. My first thought before even looking was that it sounds like something involving the peripheral nervous system, and sure enough...
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Some research suggests that primary burning mouth syndrome is related to problems with taste and sensory nerves of the peripheral or central nervous system.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bur...SECTION=causes
Another treatment that seems to work for some is Alpha Lipoic Acid (with no addiction/dependence risk).
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97% of the subjects on lipoic acid (600 mg/day for 2 months) showed some improvement (73% had "decided" improvement).
http://www.life-enhancement.com/arti...ate.asp?ID=726
Many people with Peripheral Neuropathy take a form of this - Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid. When taking this form, only 100 mg is as effective as 600 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid.

In the event we're spinning our wheels here, it might be helpful to tell us a bit more (start a separate thread for clarity) about what you know about your BMS (primary/secondary, suspected cause(s), tests, things you've already tried, etc.)

Doc

bent98 03-13-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Smith (Post 860513)
When taking this form, only 100 mg is as effective as 600 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid.
Doc

Really 100mg of stabilized ALA? Can you explain? I always thought regular ALA are comprised of components R and S. We don’t absorb the S so half of it is wasted, therefore I have always concluded that you need to take 300mg of ALA-R versus 600mg of ALA.

Are you implying because it’s stabilized, 100mg of stabilized = 300mg ALA-R (non stablized)=600mg ALA?

mrsD 03-13-2012 09:16 AM

This is the thread where we all at PN discuss and discover the solubility of the various lipoic acid formulations.

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...light=Blaylock


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Originally Posted by bent98 (Post 860588)
Really 100mg of stabilized ALA? Can you explain? I always thought regular ALA are comprised of components R and S. We don’t absorb the S so half of it is wasted, therefore I have always concluded that you need to take 300mg of ALA-R versus 600mg of ALA.

Are you implying because it’s stabilized, 100mg of stabilized = 300mg ALA-R (non stablized)=600mg ALA?


Dr. Smith 03-13-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bent98 (Post 860588)
Are you implying because it’s stabilized, 100mg of stabilized = 300mg ALA-R (non stablized)=600mg ALA?

I'm not a chemist or pharmacologist, so I cannot explain the reasons myself. At first, I assumed the same as you, that 300 mg would be what's required, but it's not. The stabilized form had nothing to do with it; 100 mg. of regular RLA works as well as 600 mg of ALA, though some people do take more.

I do recall digging the info out of threads here, and following up on the web, even if I didn't understand it entirely. I'm on my first month of the stabilized form now (had to use up supplies of regular RLA) but I have not personally noted any difference over regular RLA as yet.

I started RLA over a year ago now, and it has been near-miraculous in my case (results may vary considerably). The stuff stopped my burning/pins & needles pain from PN within 48 hrs, and progression of the condition has stopped as well (but I cannot say for certain the RLA is responsible for that - it could be a number of factors).

Doc

mrsD 03-13-2012 11:10 AM

To put it simply:

RX drugs go thru an expensive process to make them BIOavailable...meaning they have to be absorbed a certain amount in each person, reliably. This is part of the new drug application evaluated by the FDA. Generics have to match this data within certain statistical limits.

But supplements do not go thru this process unless the maker
chooses to. So therefore, people taking supplements, vitamins and minerals, may not absorb what the label claims is in it.

A case in point is magnesium OXIDE...which for decades was the only supplement of magnesium out there. But it is very poorly absorbed we know now when recent studies compared various salts of magnesium and found OXIDE the worst in this regard. But doctors still prescribe it...unknowing. The NIH website has this information on it now, but of course doctors don't read it.
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium/
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Oral magnesium supplements combine magnesium with another substance such as a salt. Examples of magnesium supplements include magnesium oxide, magnesium sulfate, and magnesium carbonate. Elemental magnesium refers to the amount of magnesium in each compound. Figure 1 compares the amount of elemental magnesium in different types of magnesium supplements [28]. The amount of elemental magnesium in a compound and its bioavailability influence the effectiveness of the magnesium supplement. Bioavailability refers to the amount of magnesium in food, medications, and supplements that is absorbed in the intestines and ultimately available for biological activity in your cells and tissues. Enteric coating (the outer layer of a tablet or capsule that allows it to pass through the stomach and be dissolved in the small intestine) of a magnesium compound can decrease bioavailability [29]. In a study that compared four forms of magnesium preparations, results suggested lower bioavailability of magnesium oxide, with significantly higher and equal absorption and bioavailability of magnesium chloride and magnesium lactate [30]. This supports the belief that both the magnesium content of a dietary supplement and its bioavailability contribute to its ability to restore deficient levels of magnesium.
This is only one example. Other supplements have solubility and BIOavailability issues also. CoQ-10, Lipoic acid, curcumin,
zinc, B12, to name a few. Sometimes it is as easy as taking on an empty stomach, but other times the supplement has to be modified to be absorbed better. R-lipoic is one that when solubilized with sodium, is better absorbed, and hence works better at lower doses. Alpha lipoic therefore has 3 issues.
1) the old racemic mix...is not all useful to the body
2) focusing on R-lipoic sounds good, and is out there...BUT....
3) Sodium RALA (NaRALA) is most soluble in the stomach and hence thought to be the best one we have now. (this one is called STABILIZED on the label.)

Some new technologies are coming for liposomal nano-emulsions of various vitamins and supplements, and we will see more of these soon. Vit C and curcumin are examples available now in liposomal forms to enhance absorption further.
So far they tend to cost more money, but that will probably change as time passes and demand accelerates for them.

And in the future what we say now, will most likely be obsolete.

Dr. Smith 03-14-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 860631)
RX drugs go thru an expensive process to make them BIOavailable...meaning they have to be absorbed a certain amount in each person, reliably. This is part of the new drug application evaluated by the FDA. Generics have to match this data within certain statistical limits.

Would that statistical limit be around 85%? A friend in medicine once told me that generics only have to be 85% as effective as brand-names, which is why some people swear by the brand-names and dis the generics.

Doc


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