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My chronic pain has really lessened. I still have some headaches and nerve pain in left hand, but overall my pain is gone. It has been almost three year since surgery for thoracic outlet and I still had sever pain. My neurosurgeon ordered ALCAT testing. It showed food intolerances. I started the elimination diet in mid December and now 3 months later, I am feeling like a new person. I have accidentally ingested something on my No No list and later felt pain. It is hard to eat but worth the effort. It is wonderful not living on pain pills.
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My chronic pain has really lessened.
That's wonderful to hear.

I'm not sold on ALCAT at all, and it's not really necessary for doing an elimination diet (The Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) is another) and/or identifying food triggers.
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The test is not supported by research and is not considered to be a reliable medical diagnostic tool; since it has not been appropriately validated it is not a suitable guide for therapeutic decisions.[1][2][3][4][5][6] In a position statement, the Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy classified the ALCAT with other forms of cytotoxic tests as inappropriate tests, saying of them
"These results have been shown to not be reproducible, give different results when duplicate samples are analysed blindly, don't correlate with those from conventional testing, and 'diagnose' food hypersensitivity in subjects with conditions where food allergy is not considered to play a pathogenic role."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALCAT_test
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That's wonderful to hear.

I'm not sold on ALCAT at all, and it's not really necessary for doing an elimination diet (The Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) is another) and/or identifying food triggers.


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All I can say is that the ALCAT testing is working for me. I have accidental ingested different things on my NoNo list and I started hurting. I am just happy to start living a normal life.
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My chronic pain has really lessened. I still have some headaches and nerve pain in left hand, but overall my pain is gone. It has been almost three year since surgery for thoracic outlet and I still had sever pain. My neurosurgeon ordered ALCAT testing. It showed food intolerances. I started the elimination diet in mid December and now 3 months later, I am feeling like a new person. I have accidentally ingested something on my No No list and later felt pain. It is hard to eat but worth the effort. It is wonderful not living on pain pills.
So great to read your post....wishing you the best going forward

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I'm not sold on ALCAT at all, and it's not really necessary for doing an elimination diet (The Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) is another) and/or identifying food triggers.


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If you use google scholar you can find different articles where they are using the iGg blood test. I have found other labs that do this test. The Integrative Medicine Physicians use this to diagnose and to treat many conditions. It really is cutting edge.
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If you use google scholar you can find different articles where they are using the iGg blood test.
Yes, but for what? IGg testing is used in many different contexts, others of which have been validated & accepted.

Immunoglobulins

Goggle Schoolar will also yield different articles skeptical of iGg testing usefulness/validity in this context, e.g. Food elimination in IBS: the case for IgG testing remains doubtful and:

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[Inappropriate test methods in allergy].

Inappropriate test methods are increasingly utilized to diagnose allergy. They fall into two categories: I. Tests with obscure theoretical basis, missing validity and lacking reproducibility, such as bioresonance, electroacupuncture, applied kinesiology and the ALCAT-test. These methods lack both the technical and clinical validation needed to justify their use. II. Tests with real data, but misleading interpretation: Detection of IgG or IgG4-antibodies or lymphocyte proliferation tests to foods do not allow to separate healthy from diseased subjects, neither in case of food intolerance, allergy or other diagnoses. The absence of diagnostic specificity induces many false positive findings in healthy subjects. As a result unjustified diets might limit quality of life and lead to malnutrition. Proliferation of lymphocytes in response to foods can show elevated rates in patients with allergies. These values do not allow individual diagnosis of hypersensitivity due to their broad variation. Successful internet marketing, infiltration of academic programs and superficial reporting by the media promote the popularity of unqualified diagnostic tests; also in allergy. Therefore, critical observation and quick analysis of and clear comments to unqualified methods by the scientific medical societies are more important than ever.
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I have difficulty characterizing something that's been around for ~25 years (and yet has still not been validated/accepted) as being "cutting edge".

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IgG antibodies signify exposure to products—not allergy.
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a normal immune system is supposed to make IgG antibodies to foreign proteins, and a positive IgG test to a food is therefore a sign of a normal immune system rather than a sign of food allergy.
http://drrobertwood.com/debunking-alternative.shtml
If I were to take 10 symptomatic people at random and give them a list of 50-100 (or more?) foods at random that are known antigens, statistical chances would be highly in my favor that I'd get quite a few coincidental matches. This is not medical science—it's statistics & probability.

I'll reiterate, it's wonderful that your pain is lessened and you're feeling better, so let's not let that be overshadowed.

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That is great to hear. I have never heard of ALCAT testing but after years of feeling tired, achy, nauseous and bloated all the time I did an elimination diet. I went to all sorts of specialist doctors to find out what was wrong and they never gave me any help. Luckily after cutting out gluten, eggs, dairy fat, and peanuts I feel less awful. I highly suggest experimenting with your diet to anyone who has GI or pain issues.
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