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Old 05-19-2021, 02:58 PM #1
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Default Chronic Pain, Are You Aware of This Syndrome

I hear this every week from an MD on his health program.

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Old 05-20-2021, 03:30 AM #2
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Its good that this doctor helps you. We are going to have to agree to disagree. He has failed as a doctor by categorizing everyone the same way, in which, not everyone is the same. I'm a prime example of that. Everything he described doesn't apply to me either.



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I would like to know why its ok for you to use marijuana-cbd products in whatever way you use them to help you manage your pain but its so wrong in your opinion to use opiods? Many of the things that is in this article from this doctor applies to marijuana also.

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I don't really have an issue with medical MJ, we have had medical MJ in my area for probably 15 yrs or so, I don't want to smoke anything as I have good lungs and want to keep them that way. I have some terrible side effects from Opiods and that was enough for me to not want them or to use just a short time after a particular issue like surgery. Plus as I said a loved one got very addicted and ended up in rehab and truly lost her hearing...this was from vicodin.

My issues got as bad as they are in the last almost 11 yrs from a hip replacement which did so much damage to my body...but it's true I don't work, and can lay down etc when I have to and can manage the pain I live with on my 6 hr regiment. I often think where I'd be had I not done the replacement.

so our issues are different but I've had arthritic issues since I was 18 and I'm 83 soon.
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I feel for you having so many problems aftee hip replacement surgery. I have loved ones who had it done from having osteoarthritis. They say the surgery helped them. They still have problems because of the osteoarthrotis. I have heard hip replacement surgery is one of the hardest surgeries to heal from. Despite their issues they still lived very productive lives. I know they took meds to treat osteoarthritis. 1 of them also used mj. Here in my state it is illegal for medicinal nd recreational. Although you had a bad experience from surgery doesn't mean every surgery will turn out to be. I have had several surgeries over my short life and haven't had a bad outcome. Surgery will never make someone 100% like as if they never had a problem with whatever the issue is for having surgery.

There are many cases where someone may not be able to have surgery to fix the problem they are having. Its not because of the patients refusal to have surgery. Its the doctors themselves that will not perform surgery on some patients, because of the high risks to the patients. All othee nonsurgical measures will not fix the problem either. There are examples of patients who go through physical therapy and have had injections too. Both treatments only exacerbated the problem. It turns into a catch 22. Nobidy should suffee in pain if there is a way to help treat and manage their condition. Understandably, there are side effects with taking opiods. However, not everyone who takes opiods for long periods of time suffer with any side effects. Everyone who do take opiods for long periods of time are or become addicts.
The article you shared has some truth to it. But, it doesn't apply to everyone, nor every situation. What do you mean when you think someone is addicted, what does it entail?

I'm sorry to hear you have a loved one who became addicted to Vicodin and had to go to rehab for it. What were the symptoms she had tharlt classified her to be addicted?
I hate to hear she lost her hearing. I have never heard of anyone losing their hearing from taking opiods. Did a doctor tell her she lost her hearing solely from taking Vicodin?


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I was curious -
[The hearing loss associated with Vicodin abuse in our patients was variable in presentation. Typically, patients reported bilateral, progressive loss, with a rapid course (days to weeks) toward the end in those patients with profound sensorineural hearing loss.]

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[The hearing loss associated with Vicodin abuse in our patients was variable in presentation. Typically, patients reported bilateral, progressive loss, with a rapid course (days to weeks) toward the end in those patients with profound sensorineural hearing loss.]

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Thank you for sharing this link. I read several articles about it. I have never heard of this before. As you stated, the results were variable. I also read that it happened in people who took 40 plus pills a day. That is crazy!! I don't know how anyone can function taking that many pills in 1 day. In those cases taking 40+ hydrocodone pills in 1 day are clearly addicts. Not everyone who is prescribed this medication anuses it by taking way more than what is prescribed. The link is very informative. Thank you again for sharing1

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The person in my life with profound hearing loss did not take 40 pills daily but too enough for too long....she got addicted...the House Clinic here in L.A. where she ended up with Cochlear Implant said about 50% hearing loss cases are from vicodin etc.
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Caroline,

I'm sorry to hear about your loved one becoming addicted and losing her hearing. I don't take Vicodin. I also read you can lose your hearing taking, tylenol and ibuprofen too. It may not have been the Vicodin but the acetaminophen that caused it. Everyones body is different and responds differently. I don't know what your definition of toi much meds, or being addicted. I get the feeling our definition is completely different from each other. There usn't anything that can fix my back. Even with surgery the chances of it getting fixed are very slim. That is if I can find a doctor who is willing to operate. I haven't found a surgeon tet who will operate.
Medications do not effect me the same way as it does majority of the population because I had brain surgery.


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Diamond Tiger, pharma meds are just not my way to do healing, but I do take a few lower dose meds, and 99% supplements. I seek out more natural to my body than the lab produced drugs. That is the major difference with me overall. My dear person will do all in her power to steer clear of pharma drugs, she's paid.

We all have our mindsets and what is right for us. This is truth for each.

THere are high numbers of addictions out there.
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